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In this episode of the Real Estate Pros podcast, host Micah Johnson interviews Jose Cortes, a seasoned real estate investor based in Colorado. Jose shares his journey into real estate, starting from his education in 2008 during a challenging market. He discusses various strategies he has employed, including wholesaling, fix and flips, and buy and hold investments. Jose emphasizes the importance of networking and collaboration in the real estate industry, as well as his current focus on RV parks and boutique hotels for generating active income. The conversation also delves into the intricacies of financing and underwriting deals, highlighting common pitfalls for new investors. Jose’s insights and experiences provide valuable lessons for both new and seasoned investors alike.
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Jose Cortes (00:00)
when I first got into the business, I was doing the traditional wholesaling or I was doing traditional fix and flips where I had to put 10, 20 % down. Well, now that I’ve added creative financing to my repertoire or my tool belt, I’ve been able to get into more properties with either little to no money in my pocket.which is great. I’ll give you an example. There was a property in Texas, VA loan, a person had already bought himself a second house and just wanted to get rid of his house. Well, I purchased basically a 500k valued home for nine grand.
Micah Johnson (02:10)
Hey everyone, welcome to the Real Estate Pros podcast. I’m your host, Micah Johnson. And today I am joined by someone I’ve been looking forward to chatting with. His name is Jose Cortes, who’s been making some serious moves in the real estate space overall. I’m excited to jump in on his journey here. Jose, thanks for joining me,Jose Cortes (02:27)
Thanks Michael for having me, I appreciate you inviting me on.Micah Johnson (02:30)
Absolutely, absolutely. I think our listeners are really gonna take something away from really how you’ve approached getting into the business, what all you’re doing in it currently, because you’re in a couple different niches, and just kind of how to structure your life in real estate. So let’s dig in. First off, for people that aren’t familiar with you, tell me about where you’re based out of, then what your current market is that you’re working in.Jose Cortes (02:54)
So I currently reside in Colorado. Basically, I call myself Denver, but I’m in a suburb of Denver called Aurora. ⁓ My markets primarily are Colorado, Texas, Illinois, ⁓ Georgia, and sometimes Florida. But right now, with those insurance prices, I’m kind of like shying away from that market at the moment. ⁓ Yeah.Micah Johnson (03:22)
blame it. I live in Florida. I’m born and raised here and we’ve had an insurance issue for quite some time. ⁓ Hopefully we’ll get it. Hopefully we’ll get it solved soon. So take me into your real estate journey. What got you into real estate? What year did you get in?Jose Cortes (03:28)
Yes, sir.⁓ so I like to tell everybody I started back,
which at the time I did not know was a bad time to be trying to getting into real estate, which was 2008 is when I started my education, right? like most or some people, I was watching A &E and watching all the fix the flip shows. And I’m like, that looks like something I could do. And it was fun. I’ve been in kind of like in real estate, ⁓ jobs, ⁓ ever since the age of 19, ⁓ working in a
credit union and a bank as a loan processor. And then, ⁓ so I started my education in 2008. I started with a mentorship from a person who unfortunately is no longer with us, Carlton Sheets. And then kind of moved on to different mentorships from there. Most recently, ⁓ I had Fortune Builders. ⁓
Rod Calif’s Warrior Program or Lifetime Warrior Program, Matt Thurow’s ACE Program, and most recently, Pace Morby’s Sub 2 Community and Gator Community.
Micah Johnson (04:40)
Okay, excellent man, really getting connected there. So what have you used those communities to do in the real estate world?Jose Cortes (04:48)
More for networking and then of course educating myself on different strategies. ⁓ I’ve learned, I try to do this at the beginning by myself and try to be a solopreneur and I quickly found out thatI limit myself when I am not trying to partner with other investors. How am I doing that? By, I run out of funds real quick, right? If I’m using my own funds. So I limit myself on how many projects I can do a year if I’m not.
Micah Johnson (05:58)
Mm.Jose Cortes (06:04)
either leveraging somebody else’s funds or at least partnering with people. ⁓ What else? ⁓ Strategies, like I said,when I first got into the business, I was doing the traditional wholesaling or I was doing traditional fix and flips where I had to put 10, 20 % down. Well, now that I’ve added creative financing to my repertoire or my tool belt, I’ve been able to get into more properties with either little to no money in my pocket.
which is great. I’ll give you an example. There was a property in Texas, VA loan, a person had already bought himself a second house and just wanted to get rid of his house. Well, I purchased basically a 500k valued home for nine grand.
Micah Johnson (06:51)
Wow.Jose Cortes (06:52)
So basically all I did was give him a little bit money in his pocket. I caught some arrears up and that was it. Paid closing costs.Micah Johnson (07:01)
Off to the racesthere. Man. And what’s your, are you trying to buy and hold flip? What’s your hole when you’re in real estate, what’s your game?
Jose Cortes (07:10)
So I like to buy and hold. think the long game is the best way to build wealth. Just to share a little bit about myself, I’m a father of four, about to be a grandfather for the first time sometime this week. My daughter’s due by Saturday. And ⁓ there’s no way to build wealth if I’m just buying it and selling it off. So idea is to buy it, fix it up, and hold it.Micah Johnson (07:24)
Congrats.Jose Cortes (07:37)
rentals whether it be long-term short-term or mid-term rentals depending on what the market supports so I try to utilize the best strategy in the market of that property is in.Micah Johnson (07:48)
Now, how’d you, you listed off a pretty good list of markets earlier. What attracts you to a market and what makes you shy away besides insurance?Jose Cortes (07:56)
Well, one, course, being a landlord friendly state, ⁓ unfortunately, especially during the COVID time, right, we found that people don’t necessarily like to pay if they don’t have to. And I’m a businessman and investor. And like I said, I’m supporting a family and I cannot afford to have somebody not pay me because that means I’m taking money from somewhere else in order to make sure that I don’t lose an asset or. ⁓If I don’t have that money from somewhere else, because I have too many properties that are not paying, now I’m stuck. I put myself in a jam where I have multiple properties with no income coming in. So I want to make sure that I have the means to mitigate my risk or have the means to, if somebody is not being a good tenant, that I have some kind of ⁓ avenue to rectify the situation so that I can start getting it to become a
income producing property again. Sometimes it’s also just about cost, right? One of the things that I learned during the COVID time is if you buy a house or an asset that’s in a market that is reasonable, right, like the Midwest, rents are like 500 bucks or mortgages are 500 bucks. So I’m charging somebody six or something like that, which is still below maybe the market area. They tend to pay their mortgage or the rent because
Micah Johnson (08:55)
Gotcha.Jose Cortes (09:23)
They want to have a roof over their head. So you make it affordable for the boot collar people. They tend to make sure that that is one bill they do pay if times get hard.Micah Johnson (09:33)
Yeah, definitely, Affordability is the word of the year at the moment. So especially in the housing world. So what are you focusing on right now? What opportunities are you getting into?Jose Cortes (09:38)
Exactly.So as I mentioned, I started off like most people with wholesaling and kind of graduated from there into fix and flips and then into buy and holds. Right now I’m trying to expand
my ⁓ marketing into RV parks and boutique hotels, trying to build that active income to kind of build that long-term wealth and generational wealth for my children, my grandchildren.
Micah Johnson (10:47)
What got you, what about RV parks got you interested?Jose Cortes (10:51)
Well, kind of taking a step back, back in May, I ⁓ had a contracting job that was no longer needed. So I kind of lost my W-2 job and I was already investing in real estate. It kind of propelled me into doing this 100 % of the time instead of just part-time. And as I mentioned, I’m in Pace Morby’s community. And one of things he says, if you’re looking for active income, RV parks are great because if you acquire one, you get cash.cash flow like day one, right? You acquire property on Wednesday, on Thursday, you have people coming into your parks, renting for the day, or people ⁓ utilizing the amenities you have at your park. So all that income you’re making from is yours or you and your partners literally the next day. And there’s not very many asset classes that you can do that with. OT hotels are another hospitality ⁓ type of asset where
Micah Johnson (11:22)
Yeah.Jose Cortes (11:49)
You buy it today as long as it’s running, right? Because there are some that are shut down. As long as the property is running currently, you’re gasing in active income from day one after acquisition. So that’s why I’m focusing on that because replacing W2 income so I don’t have to keep chasing, well, how many wholesale deals am I going to do this month? How many fixed flips can I get done? If you have those in your portfolio, right, that can give you that constantalmost guaranteed income on a monthly basis that you can actually plan against and pay bills against and not have to worry about, is today going to be a, is this going to be a good month or a bad month, right? So that’s the kind of reason why I went to those asset classes.
Micah Johnson (12:30)
Yeah. Yeah, that’sThe real estate roller coaster is real, especially early on if you don’t have a whole lot of units under your belt and you’re really running that. I know guys, sometimes they make 300 grand a month and then go three months without making any money. So it has that effect to it, that going after that active income. RV parks has definitely become more and more popular as of late. What’s been one of the things about them that made it click for you? Like, yeah, this is good, this will work for me.
Jose Cortes (12:47)
Exactly.I’m looking to see actually how many people are starting to migrate. If you do some market research on it, ⁓ lot of like baby boomers are wanting to just downsize in RVs and then like just travel the country, you know, now that they’re getting to retirement age. ⁓ A lot of the younger folks, ⁓ they don’t want to have a place that they have to maintain a yard and pay property taxes that the flexibility.
of being able to be in one state at one time or be what they call it, like Nomad. You can work from anywhere, ⁓ like remote workers. That is a big market as well. So you have a lot of people that are migrating from the traditional, let me buy this huge mansion house because I want to show people that I am the status symbol to, I’ll just buy an RV park and park it wherever I want for the day or for the month. And if I want to be in Florida one day and
Micah Johnson (13:38)
Mm-hmm.Jose Cortes (14:02)
New Jersey the next, let’s do it, right? So there seems to be a trend if you look at ⁓ different, what’s the word again for it, different sources. If you look at magazines, if you start looking at like U-Hauls or marketing, how the sales of single family homes are going down, but maybe the RV park, or not parks, but RVs sales are starting to.Micah Johnson (14:30)
Yeah, trained up.Jose Cortes (14:30)
get higher year overyear. So you can kind of see different market trends that are kind of pointing to this is somewhere it’ll be beneficial for you for at least the next couple of decades.
Micah Johnson (14:43)
It’s one of the ones I’m interested in too. I have my own RV and I love to go camping whenever I go. I love to talk to the people around me and see who you are. And it’s more and more you find that the affordability issue is being solved by, I can go get a pretty nice camper and put it at a campsite herenot much per month when you do it all the way through the month and you’ve got that, you’ve got a yard.
Jose Cortes (15:46)
No.Micah Johnson (15:50)
right, that you don’t have to mow. You’ve got space, you can wander around, you’re not like locked in. I agree with you, a lot more folks are buying into it, especially the elderly generation too. They’re really getting into it, traveling around. That’s fascinating, man.Jose Cortes (16:05)
And you can get luxury. It’s not like they’re, you know, beat up old, you know, you have to, you can get some like, my goodness, is this an RV or is this like a mansion? Cause I mean, you get marble top, you get like full living rooms. I mean, depending on what you, you know, you purchase, but there’s a lot of, ⁓ luxury RVs out there that you would not be disappointed living in for a long period of time.Micah Johnson (16:09)
No!Exactly.
No,
no. When I was buying mine, I started following different people that talked about RVs on social media to see, okay, what’s really out there? And it’s mind blowing. It’s not the old little tin can you pull behind your truck anymore. is, there are real deal units you can tow around where you are at home. Heck, it’s 2000 square feet behind you. They’re big. That’s cool. Now where…
Jose Cortes (16:41)
Sure.Absolutely. Yep.
Micah Johnson (16:57)
When you’re focusing on RV parks, has there been a particular area you’re looking for for those?Jose Cortes (17:03)
Uh, not really. Um, I’ve mentioned to you before that, uh, right now I’m kind of looking at a place in Oregon. I’ve looked at some parks in Texas, uh, Georgia. Like again, that’s why it kind of goes into my, the markets that I mentioned at the beginning of this call. But, um, I’m open anywhere really where RV is going to be. I’m looking for places that will drive people to, right? For example, like Montana, I think I mentioned that earlier is a place where people go to, they want to look at the national parks, right? So.South Dakota has Mount Rushmore, a lot of RVers go there because there’s a point of interest that drives them there. So I’m looking for places that where that sub-community of our nation will want to go and spend some time, whether it be bringing their family and friends ⁓ to see some sites, points of interest, hopefully it’s a park, because they have parks that are like resorts now, right? Where they got water parks and they got…
canoeing and they have hiking, different activities for people to do while they’re sitting there in the park. So it’s not just a matter of parking your place and staying there for a night or two and then moving on to the next location. It becomes almost like going to an amusement park for lack of better terms, where they have restaurants and they have arcade center, like entertainment centers for people to entertain themselves while they’re staying in your parks.
Micah Johnson (18:01)
Yeah.Jose Cortes (18:31)
So I’m looking at anything that makes sense, right? That makes.Micah Johnson (18:38)
Literally and figuratively.Jose Cortes (18:39)
That’ll, yeah, for lackof return, because here’s the thing. One of the things I want to do, I do have a buy box, right? And the reason why I have that is because I want to make sure that if anything unforeseen happens, some kind of repairs that need to be done. There’s so many different aspects to an RV park, right? Whether it’s on septic or city water, you know, how is the electric done? it separately metered or is it like, can you build back to your renters and stuff like that?
All these things you have to come into play. ⁓ so one of the biggest, I’ll give you two little attributes that I look for. One is NOI, it’s gotta be over 200K NOI. And the other one is a 10 cap that I’m looking for. Because with that, I know that if anything unforeseen happens, I have some room to mitigate that risk of not making any money.
that month or the next few months because of an unforeseen situation. Anything less than that gets kind of eaten up with CapEx, capital expenditures, or any kind of repairs that may come up, whether it be a roof or some pads or what have you.
Micah Johnson (19:56)
Now do you pay attention to how many sites are available? Is there a minimum you look for, a maximum you look at?Jose Cortes (20:03)
Our minimum is 50 pads, right? But I’ve looked at parks that are kind of mixed and I’ll give you an example. Right now I’m negotiating on an RV park that has 37 sites, but those 37 sites are not strictly RV. There’s like 12 RV pads, there’s 13 cabins and like eight glamping sites and four tents.So it’s a mixture of stuff. So it’s not just strictly an RV park. It has some other sites, but total is 37, which now allows me to have some flexibility. One of the things about RV parks, people might not know is some of are very seasonal. And the way this park is laid out, I can extend the season year round because it’s not just an RV park. Because I have the cabins and then I have the glamping tents, which
A lot of people like to use even in the winter time.
Micah Johnson (21:04)
Yeah, no, that’s a fascinating point about the seasonality of it. What do you, to offset that, so finding more types of pads inside the site or inside the park helps offset that. Interesting. That is interesting. ⁓ Again, I like RV parks. Every time I go to one, I’m just looking around and like, all right, what’s this one? What’s that over there? What’s this? Because it is, it’s so fascinating. One of the reasons I love real estate.Jose Cortes (21:23)
Hahaha!Micah Johnson (21:33)
Now switching back for a second, you’ve talked about the groups that you’re in and when it comes to building relationships and growing your network, what’s made the biggest differences for you?Jose Cortes (21:46)
I think what makes the biggest difference is just kind of sharing my knowledge, right? As investors, when I first started, I thought it was me against the world where I only had to work against myself. I’ve learned that sharing a little bit of what you’ve learned to prevent somebody else from making the same mistakes, you do goes a long way. And showing that goodwill, people want to kind of pay you back, right? So what do I mean by that? I’ll take somebody who’s never done a deal before in their life.help them structure a deal so that they don’t lose their shirt or they… ⁓ I’ll show them after run the writing it for them, this is not a great deal. Well, why not? And then I’ll show them like, well, you didn’t account for your carrying costs. You didn’t account for the cost of the borrowing the money from the private lender that you’re gonna get for the gap funding. You didn’t account for property taxes. You didn’t account for insurance. All you’re counting for is the amount…
money that you think you’re buying this house for but there’s so much behind that number that you’re not ⁓
keeping in mind when you’re evaluating this deal as a fix and flip or even a wholesale that it’s not a deal. And I’ll show them the numbers, why it make sense. like, wow, I wish I’m glad you showed me that. And then what happens next is, hey, would you want to partner with me on this? So now they can leverage my experience and my knowledge. And then they make some money and I make some money and everybody’s happy. And that’s how I network. And then if you take care of people in that way, of course people talk, right?
Hey, you know, I’ve been in this this market for 10 months and I haven’t been able to get a deal. It’s like, have you ever talked to this guy? Like, who’s that? Oh, he helped me out on my first deal. He did this and he showed me that as well. Well, how do I talk to him here? Here’s his number. Hey, reach him on Facebook or, know, here’s Instagram. And then next thing I know, I got somebody that I’ve never met before setting up a call with me, seeing how we can work together, or at least if I could help them get to their first deal.
So that’s how I’ve networked is just taking care of others people because as I mentioned earlier, the more goodwill you give others, my philosophy is you get it back tenfold.
Micah Johnson (24:04)
couldn’t agree more. my mentor calls it paying it forward to your future self. If you will, in one thing I’ve noticed in the higher levels of real estate that I’ve gotten and meeting people is abundance mindsets very prevalent. It’s not a, the more you’re willing to share your quote secret, that’s not a secret. You learned it from somebody, the more you get back from it. And that’s powerful becauseJose Cortes (24:09)
There you go.Right.
Yeah.
Micah Johnson (24:30)
That’s just it. It creates deals. It creates relationships. It creates friends. One thing I’ve noticed, especially the longer you go in real estate, the less people you have to talk to. No one knows what you’re talking about and being plugged into small groups that make you feel like you’re off your island and you can have real conversations and share what’s going on. It’s really the game changer. I say it’s what the pros do. The best in the business belong to things that allow them to pass on what they’ve learned.Jose Cortes (24:43)
Exactly.Micah Johnson (25:00)
Cause if you can, if you can shortcut the process for somebody by just helping them not make that mistake. And that one you just talked about how to underwrite deals. It’s what I see the biggest issue with right now, especially in the wholesaling world is there’s they’re using the formula, but the formula doesn’t account for everything. It doesn’t, it doesn’t account for all the costs and you think you’ve got a deal, but you’re 40 grand off and you have no idea why and you can’t sell it. And it’s like,Jose Cortes (25:19)
Right.Micah Johnson (25:30)
You dig in with them and show them like, look, there’s you’re missing 25 grand here for how much your money costs. You’re missing 15 here for your holding costs. You’re missing this here on the back end. And all of a it starts to click. ⁓ wait a second. Okay. That makes sense. And now it goes into the conversation. They’re even having upfront. Now they’re actually effective talking to sellers because that’s the, that’s everything we’re here to help.We’re here to help the sellers with their issue and the better you know how to do it and if you pass that information along, the better everybody gets taken care of.
Jose Cortes (26:04)
Exactly. know, I one of the aspects of investing that I do is I help people find money to get into deals, right? And I mentioned about underwriting. Well, a lot of people don’t understand that lenders don’t lend 100 percent, right? And what do I mean by that? And a simple example is this. If you have a property that you’re buying for 100 K and is only worth 100 K. The two loans, if you’re getting a purchase and a gap, can only upbe up to about 80K, right? Why is that? Because that 20K between the 80K that’s being between the first loan and the second loan and the value is that buffer that lenders need in case you don’t perform that they have at least something to work with to try to recoup the money that they’re owed, right? So many times ⁓ new lenders, new private money lenders who…
I promised the world, oh, I’ll pay you 30 % on your money if you lend me 100K. And they’re like, oh, and you’re going to give me back what? 60 days? Oh, great, let me do that. 60 days comes and goes, 100K is not paid back. now you may be in a position where you want to foreclose on that property. Well, the property ain’t worth the 100K plus the first position loan. So even if you foreclose, you don’t have a way to make your 100K back. And you might only make 75.
because you didn’t underwrite it and you didn’t understand the value of the property. So this is one of the, you asked about my strengths, that’s my strength. I try to show the hidden costs of doing deals so that people understand that what you think may be a deal is not a deal. And I try to explain to them why, because that’s one of the things that I, when I first got started, I did not understand, right? Well, I’ll just go get me a hard money loan and I’ll, you know, they’re gonna give me a loan for everything and…
Micah Johnson (27:27)
Yeah.Jose Cortes (27:56)
I’ll make money at the back end. Well, I didn’t know that I had to come to the table with 20%. And I didn’t calculate what that 20 % was. My first hard money fix-or-flip, I like, had to come up with 50K by closing. And I was like, I don’t have 50K. I worked for a I didn’t have that much to savings. ⁓ luckily I was able to ⁓ come up with the money so I can close the deal. But it was something that was a surprise to me. Because I thought when I got a hard money loan, they would just pay for it everything, right? 100%.Micah Johnson (28:12)
Yeah.Jose Cortes (28:26)
of it and I just make money at the back end. yep, exactly.Micah Johnson (28:28)
Yeah. Yeah. You think you’re just working their money, but you’re working your money too. And if it’s,it’s so true for that person in that position, what’s the most important thing that they would need to know. They’re wanting to that are that want to get that money that particularly what you just talked about. Cause that, that getting in the, a lot of folks want to get in the game. A lot of folks get to that. Let me borrow the money and then.
Jose Cortes (28:45)
in which position.Right.
Micah Johnson (28:56)
run into their issues. What is it that they need to be thinking about to either hedge that off completely or help them through that process?Jose Cortes (29:04)
If you’re borrower,the best thing you need to do is understand it from a point of view of a lender, right? Meaning that most lenders between your purchase loan and your gap loan don’t want to lend no more than 80 % in total in order to mitigate their risk. As a lender, kind of the same thing, right? You don’t want to lend. Make sure you’re using the current value of a property and not the
after repair value of a property. What do I mean by that? If you are lending on a property that currently is worth $100,000, there’s a loan on it for $80,000 in the first position for like a hard money loan or a traditional loan, right? And then a borrower comes to you and says, hey, I’m going do a rehab on this property and I need $50,000 to do the rehab and this thing is going to be worth $220,000 when I’m done.
And you’re like, okay, well, let’s see, 80 plus 50 is 130. It’s going to be worth 220. Oh, so it’s going to be 100K more or 90K more than I’m lending. So there’s going to be equity there. Well, then the person goes into the rehab. They don’t finish it. The house is not worth the 220 that they said it would be. It’s probably worth less now because it’s in the middle of a construction zone and nobody’s going to pay market price for it. So now instead of being worth
let’s say 100 is maybe only worth 80. And the first position mortgage is the one that’s going to actually get their money back. And that 50K that you put into the deal is lost because you lent on what it could be instead of what it is. And that’s where a lot of people lend and get themselves in trouble.
Micah Johnson (30:50)
Wow, man.Your whole background coming into this from lending is pretty helpful because that is a fascinating point. ARV, especially in America, I have some friends that are Canadian investors and CMV is everything there. They don’t use ARV. And in America, ARV is everything. Everybody talks about that after repair value, but coming at it from that lender’s perspective, if you’re going to lend your money only on that current market value is what you’re thinking about. That is definitely the way to protect yourself.
Jose Cortes (30:59)
HahahaThat’s right.
Micah Johnson (31:25)
because not everybody pulls this off. That’s the thing about real estate. There’s not everyone is successful in what they’re trying to do and making sure you protect yourself is super, super important. Jose, man. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Man, I really appreciate your time today and your insight on that. If someone wanted to be able to connect with you, what’s the best way to find you?Jose Cortes (31:26)
Yes, sir.Right.
It’s not always a boroughs issue, you know?
Well, I’m on Facebook Jose Cortes As it says right there in the bottom of the screen there I’m on Instagram It’s at Jose purpose over profits I’m also on YouTube. I have my own YouTube channel a the good bad and the ugly about real estate with Jose So I do I have a lot of these kind of conversations with my guests as well. I bring in people that are experts in certain areas that
Micah Johnson (32:14)
love that.Jose Cortes (32:21)
to educate younger, you know, the information I wish I had when I was a kid, or not a kid, but new to the game, right? Because there was so much I did not know that I learned by the School of Hard Knocks. And I want to kind of shorten that gap for people through my podcast. So I bring a lot of guests on to kind of share some different niches and people’s personal experiences so that people can learn.That way. So YouTube, Instagram, and then if you want to send me an email, it’s [email protected]. I will send you a Calendly link. We can jump on a call to see each other face to face and, ⁓ you know, see how we can work together. Cause that’s all, all it’s about is networking and collaborating.
Micah Johnson (33:16)
Completely, man. I say it all the time. Real estate’s relationship business. The more of those you have that are useful, the one, the better chance you have of staying in this long enough to where it really creates the life you want, because that’s where most get washed out, is so easily you just feel alone. You feel stuck, you’re not sure who to ask, because nobody knows what you’re talking about. So the more folks that you got plugged in, it is super, super helpful. Well, perfect, man. I appreciate your time, your story, your perspective.Jose Cortes (33:20)
Sure.Micah Johnson (33:46)
I think we need more people in the space that view it like you view it, where it’s there to abundance mindset, there to help, not to hurt. And for those tuning in, if you got some value from this, please hit the subscribe button. And we’ve got more conversations coming up with operators just like Jose, who are out there building real businesses. We’ll see you on the next episode.Jose Cortes (33:50)
Appreciate that.
