Build Bigger Real Estate Deals: Brian Cunningham on Mixed-Use Development, Capital, and Scale

Brian Cunningham (00:00)
I need some investors. That’s exactly how we got involved in the conversation. Cody. said, I need some investors. That’s where one of the conversations went because that’s, that’s, that’s usually the first step when you’re trying to get out on your own and you have to get the money, you have to find the money. Right. And, and to this day, I’m still finding the money.

Cody Crabb (00:15)
Yeah, of course, yeah.

Brian Cunningham (00:20)
to this day and I’m sure that until the day I die, I will continue to find the money.

Cody Crabb (01:57)
Welcome back to the Real Estate Pros podcast. I’m Cody Crabb with Investor Fuel. Today we’ve got Brian Cunningham, the CEO of Utopia Developments, working across commercial real estate, luxury, interior design, and immersive technology with projects spanning multiple states and tens of thousands of units. He’s also a published author, soon to be featured in Forbes. So we’re going to dive into how he’s building at that level and frankly, managing his time. didn’t write that in the intro, but holy cow, you seem like a busy guy in a good way. Brian, thanks so much for joining us today.

Brian Cunningham (02:28)
Cody, thank you so much for having me today. It’s a pleasure. Thank you so much.

Cody Crabb (02:31)
Of course, yeah. Well, I would love to hear a little bit about you and how you got started in the industry and how you got to be where you are today.

Brian Cunningham (02:40)
Yeah, well, first off, I’m originally was born and raised in Des Moines, Iowa, and it was a Christian background. My mother kept me getting grained in ⁓ Baptist church. I was also the ⁓ musician in the church, a drummer. So I was very much disciplined. I learned discipline at a very young age and delayed gratification actually set the tone to where I am now. So being raised at Des Moines, Iowa is a great place to grow up.

And so I really had a really good upbringing.

Cody Crabb (03:12)
I thought you were gonna say it’s a great place to grow up if you want delayed gratification. Eventually you’ll, but no, that’s great. I’m happy to hear that. ⁓ So yeah, that’s kind of where you came from, but what got you into real estate and in this industry?

Brian Cunningham (03:28)
Yeah, well first I, after I graduated high school, I was, you know, definitely involved in basketball, football and track. And I learned about Northwest Missouri State University from Coach Turchma. He was actually from the state of Texas. He was a coach there. He actually sent me a letter to play football at Northwest Missouri State University. So that’s the reason why I actually chose that college. However, before

The summer before I actually went to college, there was a ⁓ terrible fire in our house ⁓ that just inflamed everything. Just imagine your church buys you different products to go to school, different laundry baskets, books, notebooks, pens and pencils. And then all of a sudden the day before you go to college, they are inflamed. And so it’s pretty much a trauma that I had.

right before I went to school. As a matter of fact, I had a shared with my mother that ⁓ I highly respect. said, I had a conversation with her and I said, I don’t think college is for me. I think I need to wait at least a year. And thank God that she pushed me to continue to go to college. ⁓ When I went to college, ⁓ all I had was a pair of khaki pants and ⁓ one of the white

T-shirts out of three that we picked up on from the corner store a convenience store Just imagine you’re that’s all you have and you’re going to college

with in a room full of 300 students and Those students have their brand new shoes on they have their brand new school clothes on that their parents bought them And I’m sitting there looking around like I don’t think I need to be here right now. I need to you know

deal with my trauma that I have. Whoever’s dealt with the fire in their house or anywhere close to them knows exactly what I’m talking about because it’s pretty traumatizing. Nevertheless, I did attend to go, I did not do well in my first year. And it was one of those situations where I hate to say, well, mom, told you so, that kind of situation. But…

Cody Crabb (06:19)
Yeah.

Brian Cunningham (06:33)
A friend of mine that I played AAU basketball with, he lived in Las Vegas. He and his family moved out to Las Vegas ⁓ right after he graduated from college. And he said, man, look, the weather is beautiful out here. The women are gorgeous. And ⁓ maybe college isn’t for you. Why don’t you come out here and live with us for little while. So that’s what I decided to do.

⁓ Vegas is a playground that you have to be very, very cautious about what’s going on. There’s a lot of women out there and drugs. my time spent out there, I knew I was going down the wrong direction, especially the way that I was brought up in a Christian background. So ⁓ at that point in time, I knew that I had enough drugs in my life and I had enough women in my life. I told my friend, I love you like a brother.

but I have to get back to school. I was at least smart enough to know that. So I did go back to school at Northwestern Missouri State University, and I’m certainly glad that I did. ⁓ However, I did not have a scholarship at that time. I had to work my way through school. I actually worked 11 to 7 at Kawasaki Motors, started off on a punch and trim machine, which almost killed myself.

⁓ Imagine a eight-foot pole ⁓ that you’re punching and trimming almost knocking your head off at 120 miles an hour. Right, right. So I quickly learned, I said, this is not something I want to do for the rest of my life. I use that as a stepping stone. I use that as a stepping stone. I took classes during the day and then finally I initially got my grades up to hang in there.

Cody Crabb (08:04)
Gosh, yeah, those industrial machines are no joke. They’re terrifying.

would say so,

Brian Cunningham (08:23)
take classes and then I did try out for the track team, which I actually was on the track team, thank God. And that last year of school, ⁓ I was on the track team for the school. my ambition, ⁓ ambition for those of you listening under the sound of my voice, ambition will take you farther than you can ever dreams at times, believe that. So after I graduated from school, a friend of mine lived in Dallas and I…

I said, Dallas is a great place to live. I actually had three areas, one being Atlanta, Georgia, Dallas, Texas, and then also Charlotte, North Carolina. I chose Dallas because it was kind of close to home in Des Moines. And then also because of the economic opportunities that Dallas brings to the table. They have, know, Fortune 500 companies.

⁓ Anytime that there’s a decrease of inflation or recession, things of that nature, it pretty much sustains itself. So Dallas is the place that I chose. I actually worked ⁓ for a technology company in Arlington when I first moved down here and it started off ⁓ right out there. I had my own office, so I was truly blessed to have my own office. I’ve actually overlooked the AT &T Stadium.

And then also Six Flags to the east out of my windows. So, ⁓ yeah, yeah, that’s a heck of a view. So, ⁓ I love Dallas. love being here, but fast forward to me getting more into where I am today. I, during that time in Dallas, ⁓ I met a friend of mine that was in the healthcare industry

Cody Crabb (09:47)
That’s a heck of a view, yeah.

Brian Cunningham (10:42)
and, ⁓ he said the healthcare industry is a great.

industry to be in, not just in Dallas but anywhere across the United States and beyond. Therefore, ⁓ was ⁓ offered the opportunity to join the Dallas, Texas orthopedic surgeons cell school and I was taught how to hand over the instrumentation to the orthopedic surgeons. I was also taught how to

⁓ provide biologics for health care procedures and things of that nature in the operating room. And I had an opportunity to, ⁓ with Stryker, I went to take an interview down there and then I stayed in ⁓ Houston at that job opportunity happened to be in Houston, which worked out pretty well because my father ⁓ moved to Houston during that timeframe as well. So.

I stayed in Houston about two years and ⁓ I exercised that healthcare opportunity and I found some friends. They happened to be surgeons as well. Some gentlemen that we actually went to the shooting ranges with and went golfing with and they said, you know, Brian, with your intelligence and your ambition, you would make a great partner for a syndication. And at that point in time, I have my drink in my hand. like, what are you talking about?

You know, like you gotta be crazy.

Cody Crabb (12:15)
Well, and I’m listening to this

story where like I’m waiting for the real estate and it’s just not coming. you kind of you’ve done so many different things. I feel like this is a this is really interesting to see. Now, this is the moment it’s actually happening.

Brian Cunningham (12:27)
Yeah, yeah. So this is the moment right now. So the syndication, we got into flipping homes and selling

And that’s exactly when, that’s the pivot moment when I caught the bug. I said, this is great. I don’t have to be on a nine to five or a 10 to 11. I don’t have to work 80 hours a week in a hospital. I can actually have my freedom.

And that’s what delayed gratification sometimes gets you, especially when you’re ⁓ really interested in what you do. And it’s kind of interesting that you mentioned that, Cody, because as a matter of fact, even when I was in the healthcare industry, my interest was in architecture. It always was in real estate. I would look on the internet to see the kinds of buildings that they are making during that time, the different angles, the pitch angles, things of that nature.

in addition to the economic investment opportunities for certain types of sectors of the real estate industry. So it really caught my attention that they knew and they seen something in me that I always knew about myself. So that was really great experience. And at that point in time, I turned to my wife, ⁓ Nancy. Then I said, honey, I think it’s time that I get my real estate license.

And she’s a great woman. She very dedicated to me and very supportive as well. And that’s when I decided to get my real estate license. I actually started at Remax ⁓ and ⁓ hit the ground running in Remax. And those of you asking are probably asking, why in the world did you choose Remax? Well, you know what? Remax, during my research, had the ⁓ highest percentage of income at that time, commission.

I was invited to join Keller Williams. ⁓ Keller Williams has some great ⁓ teaching and things of that nature, but I’m the kind of individual that I hit the ground running and I wanted to make sure that I had enough money to help support my family. So during that time, my wife and I had a luxury interior design company, which is doing extremely well. We were shipping off pillows and different types of ⁓

Roman shades and curtains, we were thriving. And during that time, my wife sews and she helped me and supported me until I got the money needed to make some serious investments myself. So at that point in time, I was involved with a couple of my friends of mine that were actually building houses and things of that nature. We decided to get a plot of land and build 10 homes on.

And that 10 homes turned out to be 30 homes. And then we compounded our interest off of that. And I was introduced during one of those transactions to the CEO of Dominus Commercial. And within three meetings with him, he saw that I was very dedicated. He saw that I was very disciplined. And he saw the value that I brought to the table. And at that time, that third meeting with him,

He invited me to ⁓ be the vice president of the company at that time.

So I ⁓ showed my skills and then also I had met during that time during my time there, there was an opportunity with Sports Illustrated Hotels and Resorts. Shout out to Kent Purdy. Kent Purdy, he’s a great guy. ⁓ We make a long story short, he was the one that…

provided me the opportunity because he saw that the value in me, that ⁓ Sports Illustrator was Hotels and Resorts was just the beginning. We working at in Texas Live, which was an opportunity to excel in hotels and resorts. And then while I was still conducting business here in Dallas, Texas, he calls me up and says, hey, Brian.

I’m no longer with Sports Illustrated anymore. I’m with AIG, Archer Immersive Group. And I said, great, what’s going on with that? He said, well, things are going great and we want you to be a part of our team. I said, well, what do you mean? He says, well, they’re doing some great immersive technology ⁓ in the field in Las Vegas. And I said, well, man, I got to do some more research. After I did my research,

I knew at that point in time, I couldn’t be a CEO by myself. ⁓ Implementation is one of the main key forces when you’re trying to be successful. And sometimes in order to be successful, you have to delegate a lot of the opportunities to excel and rise everyone. That’s how everyone wins. It’s a win-win situation. I had to learn that the hard way. Because while I was at Dominus Commercial as the vice president,

I had already, took me about a year of planning, strategic planning, because I always knew that I wanted to have my own company. So at that point in time, that phone call from Ken Purdy was right on time. It was a blessing from the heavens of God. Because when I tell you, when I, he was right on time because that’s exactly the timeframe that I had to have my exit strategy from Dominus Commercial.

Having my own company at that point in time. I didn’t know what the company was going to be called at all But all I knew is that with my personality my ambition and my intelligence I can do it all by myself. But like I said Sometimes you have to delegate those opportunities form a a ⁓ on a unified front Working cohesively as a unit and that’s what arch immersive is so they offered me a proposal working with them

Cody Crabb (18:53)
Wow.

Brian Cunningham (19:18)
And I said, I kind of have a, have two developments that you guys may be working on. And, I shared with my, my friend, Kent

I need some investors. That’s exactly how we got involved in the conversation. Cody. said, I need some investors. That’s where one of the conversations went because that’s, that’s, that’s usually the first step when you’re trying to get out on your own and you have to get the money, you have to find the money. Right. And, and to this day, I’m still finding the money.

Cody Crabb (19:42)
Yeah, of course, yeah.

Brian Cunningham (19:46)
to this day and I’m sure that until the day I die, I will continue to find the money.

So ⁓ the first conversation that we had, they knocked me out of my chair. They said, Brian, we love your development. And I only showed him one development that I have thought of at that time. He says, as a matter of fact, we’ll finance 75 % of all of your developments that you do. I said, you’re kidding me. He said, no, we’re not. As a matter of fact, we’re going to send you a contract

Cody Crabb (19:51)
You

Brian Cunningham (20:16)
that says it all on the contract. And surely enough, they sent me the contract, I signed it. And I would say maybe two months later, after we were working on that development, they had shared with me, we wanna be business partners with you. So I said, that’s fantastic. I said, this is working out. Am I dreaming or what? This is the prayer that I’ve been asking for, for a long time. Yeah.

Cody Crabb (20:37)
Yeah. Yeah. From going to college with one shirt. Yeah,

that’s crazy. Yeah.

Brian Cunningham (20:45)
Yeah, so I said this is the prayer that I’ve been asking for all of my life. And so with the good communication that we have together, ⁓ they are sent me the proposal. And now we are business partners. So Archer Immersive Group, and I’ll name the gentleman that I’m working with. Keelan Wheeler is a heavy hitter. used to be the CEO of Max Media. He’s one of my business partners and also part of Archer Immersive Group. Craig Ziegler worked for True. Great gentleman.

He’s also a business partner. Tom Ernst works for Catamont on the finance side. He’s my CFO. And then of course, Kent Purdy. ⁓ He is what you call a jack of all trades, so to speak, in the commercial estate and then also networking as well. So ⁓ all five of us together create Utopia. So essentially, Utopia, some people want to ask, well, how did you come up with the name Utopia?

Well, essentially one of the developments I was working on ⁓ represents the best of the best. Okay, so that ⁓ commercial real estate development consists of the ⁓ Martin Aquatics. We have a contract with Martin Aquatics for a water park and then also ⁓ some other opportunities ⁓ with ⁓ other, ⁓ such as Gibson Construction. He’s one of my GCs. ⁓ But

Hard Rock International Hotels and Resorts, they’re another part of the development, but not letting out too much information without an NDA. So wanted to make sure that at least you guys have a good idea of what I’m working with. So I’m not working with some clowns that are just trying to develop. I’m working with some seasoned veterans, some heavy hitters here that know exactly what they’re doing and they know how to do it. And I’ve learned so much from them ⁓ in this opportunity.

⁓ With that being said, the value, when you’re talking about the value that I bring to the table, when you’re talking about value, obviously there’s intrinsic value, but implementation, you can’t do it alone by yourself. Unification, get with some guys, network, the networking is phenomenal. Get with some serious guys that are on the same level, have the same mindset that you do so that you can make systems work. And when I think of a proper system, definitely you’re putting your, you know, ⁓

Systematically, it’s saving yourself time, energy, and money. That’s exactly what a system is, a proper system, saving yourself time, energy, and money. And then also having the proper communication level. There was an old man that I grew up with. I see him as an uncle. He always told me, he said, Brian, you can either present yourself as, and so he’s a restaurant as an example. I’m gonna share this with you all as well, because it’s very important.

The same restaurant can present its product on either a silver platter or you can have a choice to display your product on a trash can. The choice is yours. How do you want to display it? So, you know, the obvious is clear. You want to definitely present your product on a silver platter. It’s the same product, but the perception that your guests and clients may have, it could be a lot different if you presented otherwise.

And then innovation, innovation is the top tier, the stratosphere, beyond the stratosphere of innovation. Once you get to call the shots as a CEO, once you get to innovate, having that opportunity, I call it a gift to actually ⁓ develop a patch of land and create different mixed use developments on it. ⁓ That’s when you’re actually calling the shots.

I went to a networking event just last week and I thought it was kind of funny. I’m gonna share it with you all as well. To be an entrepreneur, serious and real entrepreneur, you’re trading in 40 to 80 hours a week working for somebody else for money that you feel a slave to the money that you’re working for. When you’re an entrepreneur, the hours per day goes up at least three to five years or perhaps maybe even more.

But when you’re getting ready to retire and spend more time with your family, the more work you put in in that short term period of time, either be three or five years, ⁓ it’s definitely gonna pay off at the end. I learned that delayed gratification very early when I was in college and had to ⁓ take the long road, if you will, being determined enough

Cody Crabb (25:27)
for

Brian Cunningham (25:40)
to graduate. knew that’s something that there was no other option at all but to graduate. And delayed gratification taught me a lot of things and that’s why I’m the person I am today.

Cody Crabb (25:51)
⁓ This has been a great ⁓ introduction into your background and how things got started. ⁓ I’d love to just quickly ask you about the immersive technology part. You mentioned that as just a passing thing. Tell us a little bit about what that is and how it has to do with the real estate side.

Brian Cunningham (26:09)
Yeah, so when Archer Immersive Group and Utopia merged to form Utopia, Archer Immersive Group, they have already been working on the Barclays Center. For those of you that don’t know what the Barclays Center is, it’s where the Brooklyn Nets play basketball. It’s an NBA team. They did all of the LED lights. Another example would be Rio in Las Vegas.

They did all the LED lights and the lights on the side of the buildings. ⁓ And their technology gurus, I really consider them gurus in their field and what they do. ⁓ Another ⁓ example would be, you know, AT &T. They worked a lot with AT &T and they do different types of websites and things of that nature. So essentially, on that side, it’s a conglomerate of ⁓ skills.

professional skills they have on the immersive side that I’ve also learned being in commercial real estate. So my professional skills are commercial real estate and of course luxury interior design, the business that my wife and I have. When I met these gentlemen, Archer Immersive Group, they’re the ones that brought over the technology side. The way this all fits together is anytime that I’m doing a mixed use development. So we’re working on

a mixed-use development in Las Vegas right now as we speak. We’re working on a mixed-use development in Phoenix as we speak, two in Texas and two in Florida. So when you’re combining commercial real estate with interior design and immersive technology all in one, you have the best of all worlds because if we’re building a multifamily, for example, one that we’re building in Texas at 1200 units as an example,

Our professional expertise can not only build the structure, we can also implement the technology in the structure, having different types of ⁓ signages on your phone that holograms and holographic material, things of that nature, stuff that people haven’t even seen yet in technology, our submersive group is bringing to the forefront in our mixed use developments. Not to mention the luxury interior design.

⁓ Once those structures are built, we go in, take a team, ⁓ put in all the drapes from different areas of the world and ⁓ install those drapes, things of that nature. We ask our clientele what kind of interior design theme they want. So it’s overall a holistic approach, Cody, to what we do and that we bring to the table that’s totally unique that no one else delivers except for Utopia Developments. And that’s why we’re so successful in what we do. Not to mention,

Cody Crabb (28:45)
Hmm. Yeah.

Brian Cunningham (28:59)
I have also ⁓ had the opportunity to visit manufacturing facilities. For example, DOF Robotics is one that ⁓ I have an opportunity to visit. I visited their manufacturing facility. You can look it up on YouTube and also Facebook and social media, Instagram. Actually, you can see me on one of their rides with goggles on that ⁓

actually puts me in an area, ⁓ obviously immersive area that I’ve never been before and it takes me on a roller coaster ride. So you all out there should see my YouTube page and ⁓ see how that works out. Another one is called Attraction. ⁓ I believe they’re in Germany. I don’t know exactly the city right now off the of my head, but they’re actually in Germany. We’re actually in talks right now with some of their products, immersive products.

Cody Crabb (29:35)
you

Brian Cunningham (29:53)
We’re talking beyond 4D, we’re talking beyond 5D. So essentially what we’ve learned during our studies is that people these days, especially Gen Z, they don’t want to just go to a movie or go see a theater. They actually want to be in a theater. So for example, if it’s raining ⁓ in the movie theater, ⁓ you could have…

the mist of rain coming down on you. if you’re driving, there’s a scene in the movie or a theater where they’re driving, then you can actually feel the vibration that they’re driving and makes turns and things of that nature. So this is the world that we’re living in now. And what I call quote unquote, the old way is not the way to do a movie these days, especially after you had the immersive experience that we deliver.

Cody Crabb (30:45)
So what challenges does it pose to kind of integrate this types of technology in? These developments. I mean are there are there additional ⁓ Things you need to worry about are there permit type things that need you to worry about because this is kind of integrated with the building is if I’m kind of interpreting it correctly

Brian Cunningham (31:02)
Yeah, that’s a

great point. That’s an excellent point. As a matter of fact, obviously there’s different permits. Zoning is a big factor. know, height restrictions, flyover zones, things of that nature that you would have to really hone in on more so than you would have to hone in on for a boring or a redundant type of multifamily box building.

So those types of things ⁓ that we take a look at we have a whole team that handles that on our on our side. I also have a ⁓ team of attorneys as well down in Houston. ⁓ So that handles a lot of that for me as well. ⁓ They do a fantastic job. I have to give them a shout out if you don’t mind. ⁓ Quadros, Miguel and Crosby. Quadros, Miguel and Crosby. That’s my attorney firm.

Cody Crabb (31:27)
Yeah.

Yeah, go for it.

Brian Cunningham (31:55)
in Houston that where there’s a fantastic job.

Cody Crabb (31:59)
Well, this has been really great and super informative. I find it kind of interesting, know, the way that you kind of, a lot of people join in the industry by kind of accident, but also I feel like there’s something to be said for like joining by accident multiple times. It kind of seemed like you just found yourself in so many different areas and then all of a sudden you kind of just clicked with one of them. So trying new things, I mean, that’s a great.

Brian Cunningham (32:00)
Well, this has been really good.

Yeah, in this business you can’t be

Cody Crabb (32:28)
takeaway from this story, think.

Brian Cunningham (32:30)
Yeah, I mean, in this business, you can’t be weak. actually ⁓ absorbed all of my experiences and I definitely would provide people to look at themselves seriously. Do a serious look at yourself in the mirror and be anchored. Definitely be anchored in yourself and know who you are. You have to have a self-awareness of who you are and know your limitations, what you can and cannot do. Whatever it is that you think that someone would be better at,

have them join your team. You know, you know, I think the old saying is all ships rise. I don’t know if I said it the right way, but. ⁓

Cody Crabb (33:02)
Yeah.

No,

Rising Tide lifts all ships, think is what you’re looking for.

Brian Cunningham (33:11)
rising tide

lifts all ships, man. And I’m a firm believer in that. You know, thing that I want to say to you, Cody, is, you know, I’m sure you’ve probably heard of Grok 4, right, with Elon Musk. I’ve done some studies on that. As a matter of fact, there’s four points ⁓ that they found, and that would be anchor, alignment, and the other ones is surrender and persistence. Well, being a Christian, I’m already anchored. I have aligned.

Cody Crabb (33:15)
Yeah.

Brian Cunningham (33:39)
So you have to be aligned to the right frequency. And then also surrender. Once you have done the best that you can do, angels can’t do any better. So you find the people that, professional people that you can surround yourself with and have faith in, you gotta step out on faith. Therefore you surrender all your worries. And then thereafter, be persistent. You have to continuously pray and make sure that things are working out in your direction. So I’ve…

looked at that and I said, the ground for something that we as Christians have always been doing and practicing, but not everyone does it like they’re supposed to. So. ⁓

Cody Crabb (34:14)
Yeah, like one of those

things people kind of think I should do that and then they maybe just Forget or get you know, yeah, I see what you mean.

Brian Cunningham (34:21)
Exactly. Exactly. So definitely

having self-awareness and then presenting yourself as you should and then surrounding yourself with people that are you have you’re on the same mindset with because nothing in this world is impossible at all. I mean that’s exactly why we’re living the way that we are today because those innovative people that have developed these technologies and and to make our lives more efficient. ⁓ that’s the key you know to

to being successful and then also not just that but one of the key to life is having balance. You gotta have balance. You just can’t work yourself, have ulcers, know, things of that nature that you gotta have balance too. You work hard and play hard.

Cody Crabb (35:01)
Yeah, like you said, the entrepreneur

trade-off is big and sometimes it pays off in a long time, sometimes it pays off in a very long time. ⁓ And sometimes it doesn’t pay off at all, but a lot of people would rather kind of go down trying than not at all and not even risk anything.

Brian Cunningham (35:10)
Exactly, exactly.

Exactly, because if you

don’t try then you have to face the man in the mirror, you know, you don’t want to do that. You want to least give your best, your best bat, you know, hit, you know, if you can’t reach the moon, at least you should be among the stars, you know what I mean?

Cody Crabb (35:22)
Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

I love

that. Yep, Brian, this has been fantastic. Thank you so much for all that you’ve shared. Real quick, if people want to get in touch with you, I mean, first of all, who should get in touch with you if someone wants to get in touch and how can they do that?

Brian Cunningham (35:44)
Well, we’re looking for investors right now. Those investors, we have some ⁓ absolute iconic projects and developments that we’re working on with some of the best in the industry. I just named them archimersive group. Ways to get in contact with me, my email, BC, that’s B as in Brian, C as in Cunningham, BC at utopiadevelopments with an S on the end.com. [email protected]. And also Facebook, of course.

Instagram, ⁓ look us up on www.utopiadevelopments.com and there’s all types of ways to get in contact with me. So those of you that are interested in working with me, ⁓ definitely feel free to contact me. As a matter of fact, before I go, Cody, I did want to mention we are actually, ⁓ our next project on the horizon is working with New York Hip Hop Museum. That’s something on the horizon. So.

The DLC for those of you that know hip-hop music DLC No one can do it better. I actually reached out to him as a business opportunity and we actually became really good friends DLC has helped me through networking pave the way reach out to the hip-hop museum in New York, which is actually going to open up the fall of 2026 and We look forward to working that’s going to be a big project that we look forward to so all those of you that are keeping up with me

following me, that’s something that you definitely want to check out.

Cody Crabb (37:16)
Definitely check that out. well, Brian, thanks so much for all the tidbits and nuggets and lessons today. And thank you listeners for joining us too. If you liked what you heard, please go give us a like, subscribe, comment, follow, do all the things, and make sure you don’t stop listening so that you can get more conversations with people like Brian. It’s truly been a pleasure. I really appreciate you joining us today, Brian.