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In this episode of the Investor Fuel Podcast, host Micah Johnson speaks with Cole and Zack Alexander, who are pioneering the accessibility real estate niche. They discuss their journey into this field, driven by personal experiences with their daughter who has cerebral palsy. The conversation covers their current projects, including short-term rentals and a multifamily housing development focused on accessibility. They also delve into the importance of understanding ADA compliance versus true wheelchair accessibility, the value of networking and mentorship in real estate, and how to create opportunities for investors. The episode emphasizes the need for more accessible housing options and the potential for real estate to align with personal missions.
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Colë And Zack Alexander (00:00)
We have an older daughter, our oldest daughter is, ⁓ handicap. She has a wheelchair. She has cerebral palsy. so we basically just learned early that housing and, ⁓ travel was very difficult. just having all of our equipment and stuff like that. So we started to kind of look for that niche and then Zack actually met a real estate agent.Micah Johnson (00:04)
.Colë And Zack Alexander (00:27)
And it almost kind of fell into our lap and just the stars aligned. Yeah. We always knew we wanted to get involved in, real estate, especially short-term rentals. You we live in such a great market for that. ⁓ but we always knew that if we ever got into that, it would have to be wheelchair accessible because it was such an important aspect of us traveling.Micah Johnson (02:21)
Hey everyone, welcome to the Investor Fuel Podcast. I’m your host, Micah Johnson. And today I’m joined by Cole and Zack, who are making serious moves in the accessibility real estate space. ⁓ Cole, see, I got to get that right. Cole and Zack, great to have you all on. Welcome in.Colë And Zack Alexander (02:37)
No worries.Thank you. Thanks for having us, Micah. We’re excited to be here.
Micah Johnson (02:43)
⁓ I’m excited for y’all to be here as well. think our listeners are really gonna take something away from how you’re approaching accessibility real estate. So let’s dive in on that. For people who may not know who you are yet, what’s your main focus right now and what markets are you working in?Colë And Zack Alexander (03:00)
Go ahead. We have two short-term rentals that are ⁓ accessibility, I’m sorry, our short-term rentals are focused on accessibility and we’re also working on a land deal with multifamily housing that is going to be 60 % or more accessible. So we are really focused on driving that accessibility into our business.Micah Johnson (03:28)
All right, we’re definitely going to unpack that term for sure for those of us, for those listening that may not know what that is, because I’ve really enjoyed learning about it. What markets are your STRs in?Colë And Zack Alexander (03:39)
So our STRs are in the Phoenix Scottsdale market, ⁓ North Phoenix. We have two that are fully ADA compliant and wheelchair accessible.Micah Johnson (03:51)
So let’s dive in on that point right there. Take me to why accessibility real estate? What brought y’all on this journey to where you are now?Colë And Zack Alexander (04:02)
⁓have an older daughter, our oldest daughter is, ⁓ handicap. She has a wheelchair. She has cerebral palsy. so we basically just learned early that housing and, ⁓ travel was very difficult. just having all of our equipment and stuff like that. So we started to kind of look for that niche and then Zack actually met a real estate agent.
Micah Johnson (04:08)
.Colë And Zack Alexander (04:30)
And it almost kind of fell into our lap and just the stars aligned.We always knew we wanted to get involved in, real estate, especially short-term rentals. You we live in such a great market for that. ⁓ but we always knew that if we ever got into that, it would have to be wheelchair accessible because it was such an important aspect of us traveling.
And we struggled to travel. You know, we can’t, we can’t take her up and down stairs. We can’t, if it doesn’t have an elevator, we have no access to it. You know,
She’s seven, she’s only gonna get bigger and heavier. ⁓ So eventually we won’t be able to go up and downstairs. I can carry her as of now, but it’s very difficult. ⁓ So that was really important to us. And when this real estate agent told me he knew about some short term rentals that were term key and ADA compliant and wheelchair accessible, we knew that that was our calling.
Micah Johnson (05:48)
Hmm.Now, since you’ve gotten those, has it stayed full with the customer that needs that particular product?
Colë And Zack Alexander (06:17)
Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, so we sit about 80 to 90 % occupancy rate almost all year round. Summer is obviously a little bit slow in Arizona. It’s, you know, 118 degrees. People don’t like to travel here. Yeah. But we are actually pretty close to the Mayo Clinic. So we actually have a lot of clientele that comes in for treatment at the Mayo Clinic. And we are also pet friendly. So we’re 100 % pet friendly. Because because the previous owner was that way, we kept it that way. Plus,people in wheelchairs or with disabilities a lot of times have service animals. So why would we deny the regular guest, ⁓ the able-bodied guest, not being able to bring their pet when they could obviously see that the unit was pet friendly. It has doggy doors, there’s blanket, ⁓ couch covers and dog beds and dog food bowls and things like that already provided in the unit. between…
know, pet friendly and in the ADA accessibility, we sit at a really high occupancy rate.
Micah Johnson (07:22)
I’m just blown away for me personally, because it’s not something I personally have had to deal with and thinking about having to travel with the things that y’all travel with. So it’s like a whole, honestly, new little niche in my head that’s opened up since we’ve started talking about it of entire group of people that maybe they couldn’t travel before and now you’re opening that door for them. I love the passion towards this project and howlife kind of gave it to completely and in all of its forms from from the family that you have to the deal coming a bit the deals coming available and now this take me into where you’re working on now this next new project that’s the big opportunity y’all are working.
Colë And Zack Alexander (08:05)
Yeah, we are working on developing land on 40 acres. ⁓ Our intention is to have some single family, but mostly multifamily housing. ⁓ The goal is 60 % or more accessible. ⁓ Not just the baseline ADA compliance, but fully wheelchair accessible, which does mean something a little bit different thanyour standard ADA accessibility that’s, you know, built into most apartments. Yeah.
Micah Johnson (08:39)
Break that down for me. And for those who may not knowthat difference, give me ADA and give me wheelchair accessible. What is that true difference?
Colë And Zack Alexander (08:49)
Yeah, so ADA is you know, just having like step-free entries or having grab bars in the bathroom ⁓ Things like that or frames that are wide enough, the wheelchair accessibility comes down into you know, again that zero entry point and ⁓ parking space for them ⁓ and then being able to get through the door so it’s a 36 inch door frame is actually whatwhat really allows for that wheelchair access. And same thing with the hallways. So if there’s a hallway in the house or in the home, as long as the hallway is wider than 36 inches, then you are truly wheelchair accessible at that point. And then in the bathrooms, there’s a newer concept coming out and it’s becoming really kind of ⁓ the norm here in Phoenix.
The only reason I know about that is through a company called Abilities 360.
that we’ve worked a lot with out here and they have a home builder there that works through grants and stuff. Me and him have had a lot of conversations and there’s a new concept called a universal bathroom. So it’s gonna be a roll under sink with no vanity, like the vanity is just the sink, there’s no cabinets underneath it. You’re gonna have a zero entry shower ⁓ with a door that doesn’t have a lip so that way you can roll in with your wheelchair and you can transfer from your wheelchair into
into your shower chair if you have that capability. And then same with the toilet, there’s gonna be some grab bars and access to the toilet. There’s not gonna be any half walls or anything like that inside of the bathroom. So the concept is if one bathroom in the home is what they call universal bathroom, you can always add stuff. It’s easier to add a wall or a partition wall or to add a tub than it is to take that stuff out.
So if somebody wanted to purchase it and they don’t need it to be wheelchair accessible, it’s cheaper for them to add those things than it is for a wheelchair user to come in and have to have all that stuff modified. So that is the main focus of our new project is making sure that everything is zero entry and we have the universal bath, at least one universal bathroom per unit on the ground floor. And we’re really trying to stay away from second story buildings.
⁓ just because it really does take away from accessibility. And the other thing about it is it’s not just accessible, we want it to be attainable. So we want housing to be attainable again for young families and for our aging population that maybe wants to downsize from their family estate or their family home, but they don’t wanna go into a senior care facility or something like that because they’re not quite there yet, but they need less maintenance.
So that’s where we would have a townhome product that again, if they get hurt or slip and fall, if it’s in a colder climate, something like that, they don’t have to worry about modifying their home. Their home is already built for that journey of life for them from start to finish. So that’s really what’s most important. And statistically, one in four Americans actually suffers from some kind of disability. And… ⁓
less than 5 % of all housing in the United States is built accessible. Less than 1 % of all of that housing is truly wheelchair accessible. And when you talk about short-term rentals, less than 0.01 % of all short-term rentals are truly accessible. So we are trying to disturb that and upset the market and change that and create, you know,
Micah Johnson (12:42)
Holy cow.Colë And Zack Alexander (13:02)
knowledge base around that for people who are interested in providing that kind of housing.Micah Johnson (13:08)
Man, that’s powerful. love that. I love that because it’s, real estate is such a broad term and it touches our lives in so many different ways that when you’re investing in it and in it, it can allow you, if you’re open to just kind of funneling you right into a place where it’s really your heart’s mission. It does great things for your bank account and it allows you to build a business that’s aligned with your life. So it definitely makes sense why, I love the fact that you pointed outTo fix and flip a house to accessibility is way more expensive than to just build a new house that is already accessible. That makes tons of sense. That’d be hard. You’d have to get it pretty discounted to be able to do those kinds of fixes. So that makes sense why you’re leaning toward or why you moved to that land deal. Now, how long have you all been in real estate for?
Colë And Zack Alexander (13:46)
Yeah.night.
About two years, going on two years. Yeah, we’re pushing two years in real estate.
Micah Johnson (14:08)
And what were youdoing prior to real estate before you got into it?
Colë And Zack Alexander (14:13)
So I actually own a private transportation business here in Phoenix Scottsdale. So I’m a chauffeur. I was a limousine driver for about three years and I’ve owned my own company for about three years. And that’s actually kind of what’s really helped propel us through this is because of the type of clientele that I’ve been surrounded with.Micah Johnson (14:34)
Yeah.Colë And Zack Alexander (15:17)
Lots of real estate investors, lots of people who have actually, you know, influence on the internet.⁓ networking opportunities through that. One of our clients actually is a mortgage broker. So just being able to pick their brains and ask these high net worth individuals, if you will, the kinds of questions that everybody has, but they don’t know how to approach those questions and showing true action to those individuals, then they’re willing to give me more information. And we’ve just been taking that and applying it to our life and to our business.
Micah Johnson (15:54)
You’re seeing out of the gate, real estate’s a relationship business. Most businesses are, imagine, but real estate 100 % is one. And now you’re a serial entrepreneur. So once you’ve got more than one, you’ve got the bug for sure going on from here. Now let’s dig in more into relationships. Once you got into real estate, is there any real estate networks you’ve joined? What’s helped you keep growing alongside of just the relationships you had through your other business?Colë And Zack Alexander (15:59)
100%.Yeah.
yeah.
We have been to several real estate networking events. ⁓ One specific to real estate here in Arizona, it’s real AZ, right? It’s A-Z-R-E-I. A-Z-R-E-I. we’ve done that and we’re in all the groups on Facebook or in social media and we talk there as well. ⁓ But we also went to a few events through ⁓ Lux Social Hub and those were probably…
some of my favorite, think we’ve met most of our connections through those events, actually. We’ve even traveled to Las Vegas to go to networking events and meet people slightly out of our state, just in case. Maybe there are opportunities out there that are right in our backyard, you know? So I would say most of the people involved in our projects are people we’ve met through networking ⁓ or because Zack
has met them through his transportation business, which, I mean, is basically just networking. it’s proven to be very important. And I’m such a, a, I’m not much of a social butterfly. So it was really difficult for me to get into that head space to go, you know what, just get out there and put yourself out there. Yeah, let’s get out of our own way kind of thing. Yes, and that’s become really important.
Micah Johnson (17:29)
Where’sColë And Zack Alexander (17:46)
kind of blossomed as a person as well. There’s a lot of life lessons to learn from just putting yourself in rooms and putting yourself out there and just doing it. Yeah, and we also joined a fix and flip mentorship with HGTV hosts from Deals and Aloha, from Renovation Aloha. It’s called the Flip Tribe with Kamahai and Tristan Kalama out in Hawaii. And kind of the reason…we joined their program specifically was we were watching HGTV, watching renovation Aloha. And I looked at my wife after we had bought our first two short-term rentals. And I said, they’re doing fix and flips in Hawaii. They’re buying a million. The craziest market. Yeah. They’re buying a million dollar houses that are tear downs. They’re putting, you know, $300,000 into repairs. They have a couple of hundred thousand in holding costs and they’re selling them for, you know, let’s just say 1.8 to 2 million.
And they’re being, they’re able to make these spreads on houses in Hawaii, where sometimes shipping costs is more than the material itself. So I was like, if they can do that in Hawaii, we can do that in Arizona. And then we started kind of doing some research into them and we ended up joining their program on their launch week. was another serendipitous thing though, because it’s like they just had started launching it and
you know, putting it out there and we just happened to see it on their story. And I was like, Zack, we should do this. We should do this. And now just turned out great. Yeah. And now we’re, we’re actually leaders inside of that group. So we’re, handle the West coast region, if you will, ⁓ and Southwest region of the United States. And because of our experience in real estate, we have all of our
All of our units are all creative finance, non-conventional, either a DSCR loan or seller carry back. Including our land. Yep, our land is a seller carry as well. ⁓ So they put us in a leadership role in that and we absolutely love it. And I kind of lost my train of thought there. Sorry. No, I think that’s good.
Micah Johnson (19:44)
Ready to go.No, it’s all good.
Yeah. You’re, you’re flowing. You’re it’s what happens when something you’re passionate about starts to flush your mind. Like all the things start running. The term that pops in my head, we are describing is velocity. It’s when things start to line up and they line up with who you are as a person, the work you’ve done, the right deal, the right time, all those little pieces. It allows you to get going. It’s the big flywheel spinning that lets you start getting these big projects done. Cause
Colë And Zack Alexander (20:05)
Yeah, right. ⁓Micah Johnson (20:27)
For someone that’s been in two years, maybe a little longer to do what y’all are already doing, you’re out of the gate sprinting. For someone that would, might want to be in that same position, what would you tell them? What would you encourage them to do if they’re in that place right now?Colë And Zack Alexander (20:43)
Get out of your own way. Get involved with a mentorship. really, I can’t speak highly enough about mentorship. Even if, you know, we’ve kind of pivoted off of the fix and flip mentorship, we’ve taken everything that we’ve learned in that fix and flip mentorship and we’ve applied those principles to our land deals and to our underwriting and to how we built our pitch deck and to how we are putting this deal in front, this opportunity in front ofpotential ⁓ partners on this, it’s all come down to we learned how to do it through a mentorship. And we have the support of our mentors on this project because it is such a different kind of project, but we’re still using the same principles of fix and flip, but we’re flipping land. And the way that we have the project set up, there’s multiple exit strategies. So even if we don’t take it to completion where we do vertical construction, we…
are setting up the way that this deal has to be done, the way project has to be built based on the PUD. So a PUD is a planned unit development. And once you create that, that eventually once it’s built turns into what we all know as an HOA. So those are the governing documents of what can be built on that land. So either way we’re designing a product ⁓
that will get completed one way or another, but we plan on taking it to vertical construction.
Micah Johnson (22:17)
What’s a smart way to do it though? Leaving yourself an out because as life continues to go, you never know when you might need to move a deal, when you might need some property to liquidate that or do whatever it is.Colë And Zack Alexander (22:24)
Absolutely. And without our mentorship, I don’t know thatwe would have known how to properly underwrite, you know, to that level to have many exit strategies that gave our private capital partners the security to say, hey, if I invest in this, at least I know in a few months I can exit, you know, if I don’t feel comfortable or the relationships not working out, you know, you can you can get into business relationships and dealings with people and sometimes find that you don’t.
Micah Johnson (22:34)
Mm.Colë And Zack Alexander (22:53)
meet eye to eye all the time. So at least there’s several ways to exit the project and everyone still be happy. And I don’t think without mentorships and things like that, that we would have had that skill in underwriting. And the other great thing about the mentorship that I can’t talk about enough is the amount of value that they bring to the table. They bring guest speakers, they bring vendors. And because we are in such a competitive market and an explosive market being here in Phoenix,We’ve actually been connected with, I would say over half a dozen other investors that are heavy hitters here in the Valley because of our mentors, Kamaha and Tristan and the relationships that they have with them. They’ve introduced us and then we’ve been able to go and meet these people and talk on the phone and work on deals and they’ve also given us value. So I would say the mentorship is the number one. Get out of your own way, go get in rooms with people who are doing this kind of stuff and just ask questions.
Micah Johnson (23:49)
Yeah, I agree. I tell people, quit being the coolest person you know, and go out there and get into rooms. Put yourself in a place where you get in the way of opportunity. It’s always around. Go get in the way of it. And so many of us, we don’t like that feeling. And it doesn’t mean you have to run in and talk and do those things, but go be a part of the room. I tell you what, the events that I go to, it’s the hallway time. It’s the…Colë And Zack Alexander (24:01)
Yes.Yep.
Micah Johnson (24:17)
dinners after that evening. It’s these small moments where it’s not this big thing, but it’s just this one little thing someone would say and you’re just like, my God, that’s a million dollar idea. Hold on a second. That’s this little piece that I was missing. I just couldn’t see it. And nobody builds anything big alone. And I mean, you can’t even build a house by yourself. And I don’t know why you’d want to. Right? Like you have to have multiple things to get this done. And I love seeing newer people in the space.Colë And Zack Alexander (24:17)
Yes, I would agree.Totally agree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Micah Johnson (24:46)
see that quickly. Because when you don’t have to fix a bunch of mistakes that other people told you to avoid, life is way better. It’s way simpler. You get years and a lot of money back.Colë And Zack Alexander (24:48)
Yep.Right. Yeah.
Yeah. And it is an investment joining a mentorship. does. There is some financial skin in the game. But if you don’t have skin in the game, you don’t hold yourself accountable. First off, and second off, you’re paying a mentor to to help you avoid all of these more costly mistakes. So in the long run, it actually is saves you money. know, and yeah.
Micah Johnson (25:08)
Mm-hmm.Saves it, makes it.
Colë And Zack Alexander (25:22)
And Micah, back to your point on the hallway time. One of our first yeses we got from a private money lender on this project was at the cocktail hour of an event. It wasn’t even at the event itself. was at the cocktail hour standing in line to grab a drink. ⁓Micah Johnson (25:43)
It is the best. where everybody wants to talk. It’s fabulous. Andwas that an event you paid to be at?
Colë And Zack Alexander (25:52)
Well, no, that was an event that I got invited to by one of my clients. So it was actually the alt app. Yeah, it would have been an event that you would have had to pay to get into it was like a three day event called alt assets here in Phoenix. And I got invited by a client of mine and and it was a great opportunity. SoMicah Johnson (25:56)
Okay, was it still a private event?And that’s, I’m glad you said the part about paying to get into things, because a lot of folks, they don’t want to make that investment. They don’t think of it as that. it’s, I say, you always know how much money you’re saving, but you have no idea how much you’re losing by not participating, right? Because that one, the same thing you just described as that cocktail hour and however much money that brought into your world, that would have been worth more than the event that you would have paid to go to.
Colë And Zack Alexander (26:30)
Right.Micah Johnson (26:45)
It would have paid for the event a hundred times over. And now as you continue growing, once you do good deals, that same person comes back. So it’s not that one cocktail, that one drink in line. That’s what I love about it is it has these far reaching effects. If you’re doing it right, if you’re putting yourself into those places. So man, you’re making the best points about masterminds and I’m a big fan.Colë And Zack Alexander (26:45)
Absolutely.Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Well, and the other
real quick caveat with that is that the conversation that we had was very much just us chatting. And it was like, I know my wife said earlier, authenticity. And that really is what it is. All of these clients that I have that I’ve been driving for years, I always ask, you know, what’s your biggest piece of advice for a young entrepreneur that’s trying to, you know, make it in this world and create generational wealth for their family?
And authenticity is always the answer that I hear. And I can’t ⁓ stress enough how that really is the truth. Don’t try to act like you’re something you’re not on social media, because people will see through that. Just be yourself, tell your story, and that’s what people are drawn to.
Micah Johnson (27:50)
Mm-hmm.At this point, we’ve been professionally sold to our entire lives. They have been PhDs in how to sell stuff for quite some time now, and all of us can sniff through it. You can see it quick, and typically your entrepreneurs, a lot of the business owners are salespeople, especially in the real estate world, they were professional salespeople. And as a professional salesperson,
Colë And Zack Alexander (28:00)
Right.Micah Johnson (28:19)
you can really see it when someone’s messing with you and you can really see it when they’re not. And that’s what you start to appreciate the most. when there’s no reason to blow smoke at somebody, right? That’s why I always use that line, like not being the coolest person you know, if you can truly adopt that mentality, you will meet incredible people and they will tell and pour into your life things that you thought were the biggest kept secrets. And they’re just kept from people that don’t deserve them in a way whereColë And Zack Alexander (28:32)
Yep.for snap.
Micah Johnson (28:47)
The high net worth people, didn’t get there by accident. The ones that built their business, they’ve done a series of steps for a long time and they don’t just waste that information. It’s another good reason why paying to be in those groups is so valuable because that’s where they are. They know the value of professional organization and how often do they hear from their own network? Let me buy you lunch or get you coffee. They don’t need you to buy them lunch or buy them coffee. They have plenty of money to do that, right?Colë And Zack Alexander (29:02)
Yeah.Yeah, right.
Micah Johnson (29:16)
How do you get into a space exactly because that’s where they want to have that conversation. They like talkingColë And Zack Alexander (29:17)
But they’re still paying to be a part of those groups. Yeah. Right. Yes.Micah Johnson (29:24)
to vetted people as well, where when you’re in those paid memberships, part of it is a qualification where everybody got through the door because you all got this special little pass that said, hey, I paid to be here. I’m not just showing up random. And that is really where those relationships can take them. And it’s almost like a country club in a way.Colë And Zack Alexander (29:35)
Yeah.Micah Johnson (29:44)
Why do you belong to a super nice, expensive country club? So you can be stuck with four hours on a golf course with someone else. That’s also super interesting. And talk about who knows what. I’d love to play golf and I’ve sold more houses on a golf course than I know what to do with because it’s just a great place to have long conversations where people get to know the real you. Those environments where the real you gets to be exposed, for lack of a better word, but in doing that,Colë And Zack Alexander (29:46)
How to protect.Right, Yep.
Micah Johnson (30:13)
you get real connection. The people that are in your phone now, it’s not just a, hit them up for money. It’s a, it’s a real relationship has taken place where they buy into what you’re doing. You buy into what they’re doing. There’s this mutual drive towards success that actually sustains business endeavors.Colë And Zack Alexander (30:22)
Yep.Yeah, and it’s not about we’ve learned to like you have to change your mentality. It’s not about asking for money. You’re you’ve created an opportunity. You have a deal. You’ve created an opportunity and you’re presenting it to somebody who doesn’t have the time or the drive or the wherewithal or you they don’t want to go and find the deal. They just want somebody to bring them a deal where they can deploy their capital and say, okay, I like what you’re doing. I don’t want to go out and do that myself, but I’ll get involved financially.
And there’s plenty of people out there ⁓ who have more money than they know what to do with, but they don’t know where to find the deal. So if you bring it to them, they’ll get involved.
Micah Johnson (31:10)
I would say the ma- and this may be wrong, but I would venture to say the majority of real estate investors are silent. They’re just deploying capital. They’re not the ones that are on the ground finding the house or finding the land. They’re not that part. They’re in this backend section. And that’s how you get into those rooms. Okay. I’ve loved that. That’s it. Put, set yourself up and then put yourself in the right room and then let life do its thing. Let the relationship show up.Colë And Zack Alexander (31:18)
yeah. Absolutely.Yeah. You put a good deck together and you pitch it.
Yeah. Show an opportunity.
Don’t think of it as asking for money. Just create an opportunity. The money will come.
Micah Johnson (31:44)
I love thatbecause that’s what they’re looking for is opportunity, saying it in a language, saying it in the language that the person, because we all want to spend money, whether it’s to make more money or do whatever is we all want to. And that’s the funny thing about sales is the moment you try to sell somebody, they don’t want to anymore. The moment that you just stick open.
Colë And Zack Alexander (31:47)
Yeah, right.No, they want to they want help.
Yeah, yes. Yeah, they don’t want to be sold. They want to be they want to help. They want help buying something. They don’t ever want to be sold to help them buy something.
Micah Johnson (32:10)
Exactly. Everybodyloves to buy. No one likes to be sold. love that quote. Okay. I love our conversation. if someone wants to connect, collaborate, or learn more about what you’re doing, what’s the best way to reach out to you?
Colë And Zack Alexander (32:14)
Right.Instagram yeah Instagram if you check out Instagram ⁓ at the hat box host LLC ⁓ Our link tree is there has all of our other information email us. Yeah from that link tree Yep, everything’s on the link tree there. So I think that’s the best way to get in touch also has our ⁓ Our other project that we’re working on is attached through there’s the foundry dev group also on Instagram ⁓
And then if you’re interested in short-term rentals, ⁓ know, accessibility information, how to make things accessible, what’s actually wheelchair accessible and not just ADA compliant. The Hatbox host LLC on all platforms. We got that.
Micah Johnson (33:10)
Awesome. Excellent. Okay. So if you are interested in accessibility real estate, if you like that idea, that niche, don’t hesitate to reach out to them. If you’re just wanting to talk and see, understand more about, what is real estate? How do these mentorship programs work? Reach out. We’ll make sure that their information is in the description at the end of this episode. Cole and Zack, I appreciate your story, your time perspective. I’ve enjoyed our conversation. Thank you so much. I hopeIf you got value out of listening to this, absolutely. Thanks for joining me. If you got value out of listening to this, please like this episode, subscribe to our podcast. We have more entrepreneurs just like Cole and Zack coming up who are making real businesses and change in the real estate space. Thanks so much for joining us today. We’ll see you on the next episode.
Colë And Zack Alexander (33:40)
Thanks for having us, Micah.
