Unlocking Real Estate Success: Secrets from the Youngest Broker Ever

Stephen Schmidt (00:02.922)
Welcome back to the show where we interview the nation’s leading real estate entrepreneurs. If you’re joining us for the second, third or hundredth time, welcome back. It’s your host, Stephen Schmidt. You know, I got some value that we’re going to bring to you here today. If you’re joining us for the first time, welcome to the show. It’s about to be a regular on your podcast listening docket. Got a real treat for you guys today. I’m in the studio with the youngest real estate broker in United States history.

Got Joshua Otero in the house today. Josh has been in the real estate game for over five years. Still a young hustler. He worked up all the way to where he was managing 400 properties before deciding to venture out on his own. And in the last few short months, he’s already got up to over 100 properties under management with his new company that he’s the head honcho of. So we’re going to get right into it. Have a great conversation today. Talk about how he helps investors and maybe some of the things about property management investors.

don’t realize why they should be using it when they’re not. just remember, at Investor Fuel, we help real estate investors, service providers, and real estate entrepreneurs 2 to 5x their businesses, which allows them to build the businesses they’ve always wanted to allow them to live the lives they’ve always dreamed of. With that being said, Josh, welcome to the show today.

Josh Otero (01:17.186)
Yeah, thanks for having me, Steven. Excited to be here. Been looking forward to it.

Stephen Schmidt (01:20.16)
You bet. You bet, man. I’m excited to have our conversation. I’m honored to have you in the studio today. Youngest broker ever. And on top of that, we are recording on Memorial Day. And of course, we tip our hats to those that have made our country a free place and given the ultimate sacrifice for that. with all that, Josh, tell us a little bit about your background. What got you started in the real estate game? And maybe just share a little bit about yourself and how you got to where you’re at today.

Josh Otero (01:47.426)
Yeah. So basically I grew up in the real estate industry. My grandparents and my parents both had rental property. So I was very fortunate. I’m not going to act like I’m from the streets or anything like that. I was middle-class and yeah, I am from Los Angeles, but in, would say a middle-class neighborhood. so, you know, growing up, you get dropped off at your grandparents’ house and it’s like, I don’t want to just sit around and watch TV or whatever.

Stephen Schmidt (01:59.541)
He’s from Compton, no I’m just kidding. You are in LA though, right?

Josh Otero (02:17.11)
And so my grandfather would always go and fix up the properties. He would always, you know, fix the plumbing issues himself. He would even retile the floor, do some roofing work. And I was like, I don’t want to sit at home. So I would just go with him. I would learn how to do all that. And, you know, it was fun for me because, know, once you get a skill, it’s fun. so over time you start developing a certain skill set and just maintenance. And then as I got older, I started studying real estate, reading books, of course.

Everybody’s read those classic real estate books and you know, I went to college. I didn’t like college, but I was like, all right, we’ll just go with it. And then, so I studied real estate in college. Not all colleges offer that, but if you get a degree in real estate from where I graduated from Cal State Northridge, you can jump straight to the broker’s exam. So you don’t have to do the real estate. You know, you don’t have to be an agent for two years, take all these courses and then sit for the test. You can just…

jumped straight to the brokers exam, which is what I did, and that’s how I became the youngest broker.

Stephen Schmidt (03:22.326)
Man, that’s incredible. So one of the things that we find in the real estate game and really anybody that’s building a big business is they have mentors early on, right? And it sounds like you grew up in the game. Who would you say was your first mentor and what did they teach you?

Josh Otero (03:39.434)
First mentor in real estate. I would say it was probably my father. He knew the numbers He did all the accounting on Excel and everything like that. So even from like eight nine years old I was asking questions. Hey, what does this print out? I was able to sit with you know, their accountants and seeing how they can write stuff off for their Taxes like we just bought a new water heater. How can we write this off? You know certain maintenance tasks where you had to call the professional plumber or roofer So I was always in those meetings. I was always

you know, sitting and watching and observing from my dad and my grandfather as well.

Stephen Schmidt (04:15.04)
What’s something that, because you’ve obviously been in the arena longer than you’ve been able to professionally do it, right? But what’s something you believed about real estate when you started that you no longer believe?

Josh Otero (04:23.746)
Yeah.

Josh Otero (04:29.058)
Something I no longer believe is that…

anybody can do it. I used to think, yeah, anybody can do it. But I think not everybody has the awareness combined with patience and the ability to, well, the hunger to learn how to do stuff. A lot of it is just being around people and, you know, being a likable person. And that’s one part. And that’s also the second part is being a numbers guy or girl. And it’s rare for somebody to have both. So I used to think, yeah, anybody can just buy real estate.

Stephen Schmidt (04:37.086)
Interesting.

Stephen Schmidt (04:46.486)
Hmm.

Josh Otero (05:03.01)
and go ahead and manage it, but not many people are good at managing. So that’s something that I would say I used to think, but definitely not anymore.

Stephen Schmidt (05:07.478)
Hmm.

So what do you think is the secret sauce then for somebody that’s gonna actually have success? I think you touched on it a little bit, but if you had to kind of box it in, like what’s that perfect person to actually get in and be able to really just crush it?

Josh Otero (05:25.944)
Yeah, so you have to be a people person and a numbers person or you can get a partner that fills in the gaps where you need it. And so there’s a technical side and you know, people side. So definitely when you’re buying a rental property, you got to make sure the numbers check out. In California, they’re extremely difficult. You know, that’s why most people over here buy out of state. But if you know what you’re doing, you can find a good property that’s cash flowing or appreciating right away.

Stephen Schmidt (05:33.878)
Hmm.

Josh Otero (05:55.926)
So you just gotta find the right person to help you out in that, at least in the very beginning. And then a lot of it’s just trial by fire. Like you gotta get burned sometimes in order to figure out what to do the next time around.

Stephen Schmidt (06:12.074)
Right? Because ultimately getting burned are all the lessons that we keep with us that let us to not make those mistakes in the future. I had a comp…

Josh Otero (06:15.979)
Exactly,

And that’s why property management is so important because some people don’t want to get burned or they can’t afford to lose a certain amount of money putting in a bad tenant or, you know, buying a bad property.

Stephen Schmidt (06:30.006)
Right? Yeah, you know, to your point there, I had a conversation with a guy actually here this past Saturday, who’s a contractor in my local area, who was looking at possibly partnering with some guys he’s been sharing an office with. own, I don’t want to get too much details away, but let’s say they own an HVAC company. He owns a general contracting company, so they’re more specialty trade. But he was talking to me and he’s like, yeah, man, you know, I’m about to give these two guys potentially 50 % of my company because we’re just in a really bad spot.

Josh Otero (06:48.845)
nice.

Stephen Schmidt (06:58.86)
And I just looked at him and I said, look, dude.

You’ve got to really consider the upside and the downside in a deal like this. Like if you’re going to bring a partner in, you don’t want to bring partners in that are just like you that are that are business getters. Like you’re an incredible business getter, but like your best bet, dude, would be to offshore and hire even like a CFO or a COO who can button your processes up. And it’s like there’s exactly I think that’s I think most people that hop into partnerships, especially those that get burned, their big problem is they get into

Josh Otero (07:12.142)
Thank

Yeah.

Josh Otero (07:21.738)
I 100 % agree. To cover the gaps. Yeah.

Josh Otero (07:30.946)
Yeah, they just want a friend to do it, honestly.

Stephen Schmidt (07:32.12)
Exactly. They get into business with people they like, you know what I mean? And then they make the mistake of realizing that just because I really like this person doesn’t mean we’re going to cohesively work together. Have you seen quite a bit of that in your area with, it sounds like you related to a lot of what I just said there.

Josh Otero (07:36.664)
Yeah.

Josh Otero (07:44.846)
100 % agree.

Josh Otero (07:51.16)
Yeah, I definitely have seen that. I have clients currently that have partnered with, you know, one of their friends and then they agreed to manage it together and then they don’t show up or they do things without the other person knowing. Like that just happens all the time, especially with people with a portfolio. I’ve seen people that inherit, you know, properties from their family and they’re like, you know, my sister wants to do this, but we agreed on this, you know, vice versa. My brother.

wanted to do this, he completely destroyed half the building to renovate it even though it won’t cash flow, right? So there’s tons of things where you just gotta understand who your partner is and if you guys are on the same page.

Stephen Schmidt (08:34.038)
Yeah, 100%. It comes down to long-term alignment and core values too, I think. Like you’ve got to be fully aligned with someone in order to do business with them. So tell us a little bit more about like what’s your specialty or your niche is within the real estate world. I know you kind of touched on it a little bit when we first got introduced, but tell us a little bit more about that niche.

Josh Otero (08:54.796)
Yeah, so at first, you know, I started out as a realtor after I graduated college and I was like, you know what? Everybody’s a realtor. Like this was also while I was in college. I was like, man, why is everybody realtor in LA? There was a stat that came out that every person knows at least four to five realtors. So like that’s a crazy number. And a few months ago, there was something on Zillow and Redfin that said, you know, there’s more

realtors in California than there are homes for sale. So it’s like, okay, what am I doing? Like, yeah. So I was like, what am I doing being a realtor?

Stephen Schmidt (09:30.694)
More realtors than there are homes for sale? Wow.

Josh Otero (09:34.222)
Yeah, at that time. And so I was like, what am I doing competing against so many people? And then so I was like, okay, I already know property management. Then once I graduated, I was like, I’m going to go get a property management job. And so as I did, I learned, I learned I was number one in the company in leasing vacant units in the first three months. And so I just kept observing, I kept practicing. And there’s some downtime in property management, but that’s why you just keep practicing the script. Okay, so

What’s important to people? The pet policy. And if these are big buildings, you’re gonna wanna know like, okay, what are the amenities? A pool, elevator, if there’s a gym or a sauna, anything like that, how is the management? How’s the maintenance? You need to know some of these things and it’s just trial by fire. There were questions that I was asked initially, like, when was a building built? I don’t know. And then after messing up then.

Now you know this building was built in 1984, this building was built in 1987, and you just never make that mistake again. You know, oh, how many units per floor? I don’t know. And then you just have to say that and then you just, you know, learn from that too. Oh, there’s 17 per floor. You know, there’s four floors or there’s eight floors, however many, there’s 27 per floor, depending on the building, right? There’s just certain things that these tenants or the, guess the prospects will kind of question you and

push you. So you gotta kinda like know how to disarm them. And so over time I just got better and better at that.

Stephen Schmidt (11:08.948)
And I like what you said there about it being kind of a trial by fire because ultimately you don’t know until you really start getting into it what’s important to people, right?

Josh Otero (11:15.116)
Yeah, you can study all you want, but you can’t predict human behavior. And so they’re going to ask those types of questions. Like where’s the nearest supermarket? You just got to know that.

Stephen Schmidt (11:20.799)
Right.

That’s like I used to…

Yeah, I used to, cut my teeth in my first career in sales in the car business as I think a lot of people do in the sales world. And getting into that, you you’ve got the company that teaches you, here’s all the things that are, you know, about the car. And then you get into your first real conversation with the customer and they ask you like, yeah, well, what’s the actual disposition of the engine? What’s this? What’s that? And you’re like, I didn’t learn any of this.

Josh Otero (11:52.174)
You’re like, wait a minute. Yeah.

Stephen Schmidt (11:55.095)
Time out. What do you mean it’s got this specific thing on the infotainment system? I had no idea, man. You probably know more about the car than I do. So I get that. But what would you say attributed to your success then? Was it just being a quick learner? mean, to go from zero to three months being the top leaser in the company, I mean, that obviously means that you’re very adaptable in figuring those things out very quickly. What would you attribute all that to?

Josh Otero (12:22.414)
So part of it was like in the introduction, you’ve got to introduce yourself well, dress well, and then you just got to know stuff like the back of your hand. Like I said, the year it built, the amenities, how often things are changed. Even people ask like, how often is a pool clean? And then if you don’t know certain small, minor things, these people will try to just discount you for that. Oh, well, the other building, this and that, it’s like, okay.

Like those people are kind of pain in the butt anyways, like once they move in sometimes. But you gotta do your best to know all that stuff. So I knew those buildings like the back of my hand and you know, I knew the response times. I was like, hey, if you need anything, our maintenance we have on site, they respond very quickly. Like I was just letting them know of some of the amenities that we have. I also built a personal connection with a lot of them. So like, you do jujitsu? I did jujitsu.

You like traveling? where do you like to travel? Certain things like that. A lot of the time there’s some downtime when you are in the elevator with them, right? So you’re going up to like the sixth floor and you’re just like, there’s awkward silence. So I was like, okay, how can I fill this awkward silence? So I’d ask them, what do you do? what’s the reason for your move? And they tell me, I’m switching jobs. And then that starts another conversation. So once you build rapport with them, they’re easier to close.

And also I would just follow up, follow up, follow up, hey, you know, did you like this? How soon are you looking to move in? And you just keep following up from there.

Stephen Schmidt (13:54.615)
Yeah, love that. Have you read the book Big Money Energy?

Josh Otero (13:59.415)
I have it now.

Stephen Schmidt (14:00.854)
Do know what I’m talking about from Sirhant? Ryan Sirhant, do know who that is? Yeah, so he wrote a book called Big Money Energy probably five or six years ago. if anybody knows anything about Ryan Sirhant, you can clearly understand why he would call that his book. Honestly, it is in my Mount Rushmore of books of like the top books that I’ve ever read. I read it in two days and

Josh Otero (14:02.752)
No, I don’t.

Ryan Serhant, yeah, of course.

Josh Otero (14:16.156)
yeah.

Yeah.

Stephen Schmidt (14:30.652)
It’s what I love about the book is, is it talks about literally exactly what you just mentioned there, building rapport and having energy that just is infectious for your clients. And Ryan obviously is an incredible success story in the brokerage world, 100%.

Josh Otero (14:43.728)
He’s top of the top.

Stephen Schmidt (14:47.086)
And it’s incredible that like what you just said aligns so much with that. I’d highly recommend reading that book. I think you would get a ton out of it. And to your point, with rapport, having true rapport with people, when you actually are able to break the barrier of relationship versus I’m just the guy trying to sell you something, people will tell you what it takes to actually get the deal done. And then all you have to do is listen, right?

Josh Otero (15:16.558)
It’s like a doctor kind of diagnosing somebody, right? Like you have to understand what the problem is or why they’re moving or what they are looking for. And then you have to provide them, you know, the cure.

Stephen Schmidt (15:29.758)
And on that note, can I actually give you something pretty crazy of what you just said?

Josh Otero (15:34.562)
Go for it.

Stephen Schmidt (15:35.799)
So I heard this a while back from a naturopathic doctor who was giving a speech and of course, I don’t know the validity of it. I’m not a doctor, you know what I mean? But I’m just relaying what I’ve heard that specifically what he said in this speech was that something along the lines of over 75 % of malpractice cases could have been resolved if the doctor that committed the malpractice would have taken 90 seconds

actually listen to the patient and what was going on with them before just giving them a solution. Is that not insane? Someone fact check me on that but.

Josh Otero (16:14.196)
It is, I’m surprised. Even in 2025, dude, just talk to the person. See, that goes back to my point though of you gotta be a people person or a numbers person. guess doctors, they kind of lean towards the numbers and the science side instead of the human side, the conversation side.

Stephen Schmidt (16:22.102)
So,

Stephen Schmidt (16:38.194)
Because ultimately they’re just trying to find the fastest fit, You know, when you’re seeing 50 people a day and somebody comes in and says something, you try to find whatever in your brain associates with the nearest thing you learned in a textbook, be like, this is your problem, right? It’s like if you would have just taken that extra 90 seconds, you wouldn’t have screwed up, you know? So how do you decide now, like with what you’re doing now in property management, and I know you work a lot with investors, how do you decide which opportunities are actually worth pursuing?

Josh Otero (16:42.195)
Yeah.

Josh Otero (16:52.046)
Exactly.

Josh Otero (17:07.598)
It depends on the quality of the building. So I’ll go a lot of the time and meet the owner at the building, but some of them live very far away. So I’ll go ahead and inspect it with one of my team members like on maintenance and we’ll see, okay, you know, this looks like it’s high quality. Okay. Are the, how are the tenants? Are they paying on time or how many vacancies? Cause we’d prefer to fill vacancies that way we can put them on our lease. That’s, you know, just super detailed. Cause in California,

Especially Los Angeles you’ve got to be like on top of it with the laws because in case you go to court You know, we have everything documented. So we’d prefer to have our detailed lease in there So yeah, we just look for vacancies, know issues with the building See how the tenants are and what the owner thinks of you know, the future of their own building Like do you see yourself, you know expanding not just raising rents, but like let’s just say there’s a laundry room

How much do you charge or do you even charge for it at all? Like we look for stuff like that.

Stephen Schmidt (18:11.382)
What are some deals that you’re actively avoiding right now and why? Yeah.

Josh Otero (18:17.066)
actively avoiding. There’s one other than just pure distance, like, that’s too far. I would say some that are where the owners want to be too involved and they want to tell us how to operate because I understand it’s difficult for some owners to let go. But at the same time, it’s like, dude, this is all we do. Like we understand that, you know, you’re a high paying like anesthesiologist. Like some people have high paying careers that, you know, they want to invest, but they’re just

Stephen Schmidt (18:28.181)
Hmm.

Josh Otero (18:46.612)
so afraid of having somebody else manage it. I’m saying, dude, we’re going to keep you in the loop. We’re going to constantly update you if there are problems and we’re going to send you reports, but you got to let us, you operate just like I’m not going to go into a doctor’s office telling him what to do or a dentist like, Hey, you got a cavity. Like, no, I don’t like dude, the doctor went to school for it. The dentist went to school for it. They have years of experience, like let them operate. It’s the same with us. And so some

people are just overly involved and so those are little difficult to deal with that we are kind of avoiding at the moment.

Stephen Schmidt (19:23.094)
Hmm.

Yeah, I totally understand where you’re coming from with that. It’s almost to the extent of like, yeah, you be the expert at where you’re the expert at, let me be the expert at what I’m the expert at. And I think to your point, I think a lot of people that get involved in the real estate investing space have a really hard time giving up that control and don’t really realize that if they would just let go that the opportunity cost of what they’re losing in terms of their own time value and everything else,

Josh Otero (19:32.523)
Exactly.

Josh Otero (19:52.59)
Yeah.

Stephen Schmidt (19:53.929)
It’s not even worth it. I spoke for example with a guy a couple weeks back who has I want to say 15 or 20 properties and he’s still working a full-time job and he’s still going out and doing all the maintenance on his own properties and I’m like dude what are you doing? Like that doesn’t make any sense like what you’re saving. Right, which he does. Right.

Josh Otero (20:12.46)
I mean if he knows what he’s doing, he can do it, but I mean 15 to 20 is insane.

Stephen Schmidt (20:18.79)
It’s just nuts and you know to his point he’s like well you know don’t really get a whole lot of the like at night calls and whatever but I’m like dude imagine though if you had all that time free up to then go and get another 10. For sure that’s for sure man absolutely. what’s what’s what so on that note though what’s what makes a dealer a client an instant no for you?

Josh Otero (20:28.962)
Yeah, his wife would definitely like it better, you know, so.

Josh Otero (20:43.346)
instant no I would say when they are always involved like yeah we have this one owner who always checks the cameras hey who was that hey so-and-so had a guest over okay let them have a guest over they’re not staying where you know that could be an issue if they stayed you know a few days but they have a guest over for two hours like why does it bother you and so we’ve had to kind of weed them out over time and

Stephen Schmidt (20:48.95)
Hmm.

Stephen Schmidt (21:12.022)
Hmm.

Josh Otero (21:12.866)
Yeah, we’re still fresh, but our goal now is to sign the clients and then if we have a problem to, you know, give them 30 to 60 day notice, hey, we’re not going to be working with you anymore. Here are some referrals in the city. They’re also good property management companies. But yeah, we’re kind of growing not just whoever, but it’s mostly for stress free, like incremental growth. That’s what we’re looking for.

Stephen Schmidt (21:38.07)
Sure. What systems or processes have saved you from major headaches?

Josh Otero (21:46.339)
What was that?

Stephen Schmidt (21:47.732)
What systems or processes have you put in place that have saved you from major headaches?

Josh Otero (21:52.728)
So a lot of software that definitely makes our life easier. And just simple processes like when we move somebody in, it’s the same process every time. We give them a checklist that way once we give them… This is before we give them the keys. So we’ll give them a checklist, make sure everything’s working. Fridge, know, dishwasher, oven, anything like that. The stove, all the lights. And they sign off on it saying, okay, everything’s working. That way, once we give them the keys…

There’s nothing for them to complain about. And if they try, it’s like, dude, you just signed a day ago that everything was working. Cause some people try to get free rent, all this. So, you know, we take a lot of precautions and also the process of having them sign a very thorough lease, you know, prevents a lot as well. Cause when I was working for that big company, I saw so many things. had like a crazy story a week. Like, we had a few.

Stories on that one and so on one of the buildings and a dog because everybody has a dog in Hollywood a dog fell off the balcony And so now in my lease I’m like, okay, let me write this down. Please be aware of you know, any animals or you know Young children anything like that on the balcony. Please be aware of your belongings. The wind may blow it away You know that you’re responsible for it So like you just keep adding on to the lease as things start to happen like okay noted noted noted and so now our leases

super long and that’ll protect all the, you know, our future clients.

Stephen Schmidt (23:26.154)
Right, all the liabilities, like a dog somehow wiggling its way through the barrier and falling off, that’s insane. Right.

Josh Otero (23:27.869)
Yeah

Josh Otero (23:33.196)
Yeah, it was like one of those balconies with the holes in them too. It wasn’t just like a flat wall. So like you just got to put in these preventative measures and like I would have never thought about that before, but just it’s once again, trial by fire.

Stephen Schmidt (23:47.7)
Right, just one of those out of pocket type things. And you have a laundry list of them, it sounds like.

Josh Otero (23:49.902)
Yeah

Josh Otero (23:54.232)
Dude, there’s so many like for the garbage disposals, it used to be, you know, please only put food in the garbage disposal. Now it’s like, okay, please only put small food. Do not put paper towels in there. And then you add to the list, don’t put rags in there. Don’t put bones in like you just keep adding. It’s like, my gosh, dude, like these people are insane. Also like we’ve had crazy stories, like somebody trying to sell the appliances that came with the property, like, dude, why are you trying to sell the fridge?

that came with it, know, like these people, man. You just can’t predict human behavior unless you’ve already seen it before.

Stephen Schmidt (24:31.786)
Right. On top of not even just the tenants, but then the other regular things you have with property management, such as people that are actively trying to break into units and steal stuff and everything else. Right. I had a friend of mine who got a text yesterday and he got a text from his realtor and the realtor was like, Hey man, this property that we just sold for you, they were supposed to come with all the appliances. And he responded back and was like,

Josh Otero (24:41.358)
I know.

Stephen Schmidt (25:01.874)
Yeah, that’s correct. And so he hops in the truck and zooms over to the property, which was an investment for him to get in to realize somebody had broken into this house that they already closed on and stole the oven. They stole the oven and I think the washer and the dryer and we’re in the process of trying to take the refrigerator and and then the staging from the stager.

Josh Otero (25:08.557)
Josh Otero (25:21.526)
my god.

Stephen Schmidt (25:29.494)
Like the staging furniture. It’s just like, how does this even happen, you know?

Josh Otero (25:34.274)
Yeah, you just can’t predict what people are gonna do. you can take as many preventative measures as possible, but like, now you just have to keep adding to the list.

Stephen Schmidt (25:37.525)
Right.

Stephen Schmidt (25:41.271)
For sure. You know, I have a mentor of mine. He’s been a mentor of mine for the better portion of 14 years now. He really my first mentor when I was a teenager. And he told me one day, he said, Stephen, you’re the most pessimistic optimist I’ve ever met in my life. I’m like, thanks, man. It’s just because Cody, I expect everything to go wrong all the time.

Josh Otero (26:01.87)
You’re like, thank you.

Stephen Schmidt (26:10.142)
because if I expect it, then I’m not shocked or emotionally disturbed when something does happen that I couldn’t have predicted. So like I’m just gonna expect it and if it doesn’t happen, I’m grateful, know? So it has nothing to do with trying to put bad juju out there or whatever in the universe. It’s just a matter of like, I don’t wanna get to a point of thinking everything’s gonna always be perfect and then one thing happened and I lose four grand and then I’m like, upset about it. I don’t want something that small to ruin my day, you know?

Josh Otero (26:15.36)
If it happens, yeah.

Josh Otero (26:39.192)
Mm-hmm.

Stephen Schmidt (26:40.394)
Love it, So if people want to learn more about you, Josh, or get connected to you possibly, see what you’re working on. Where should they go for that?

Josh Otero (26:48.45)
Yeah, so they can go to my website suavemanagement.com because suav is my nickname. I’m Josh Suav. I get things done quickly, easily, you know, so that’s what people have been calling me for a while now. And so was like, okay, I’m going to call my company suavmanagement.com so they can reach me there. I’m also on Instagram, joshotero underscore and LinkedIn as well. LinkedIn. I’m very active there. I give some free tips.

free advice on property management if people choose to manage it on their own and some people have actually reached out like hey you know I’ve liked your tips on LinkedIn but it’s just too much work for me so like can you just manage it? I’m like yeah sure why not so yeah I post a lot of free content there as well so they can reach out to me yeah it’s just joshotero on LinkedIn joshotero underscore on Instagram as well

Stephen Schmidt (27:40.576)
There you go folks, go drop them a follow, show them some love from the Fuel fam. And I hope you enjoyed today’s show, you enjoyed it as much as I did, I’m sure you got a ton of value. We’ll see y’all on the next episode. Thanks again for being here Josh.

Josh Otero (27:53.72)
Thanks for having me, dude, I had a blast.

Stephen Schmidt (27:56.161)
that.