Unlocking Accessible Housing: 5 Keys to Real Estate for All

Michael Stansbury (00:01.006)
Hello everybody and welcome to the Real Estate Pros podcast. be good if I had my microphone near me. There it is, folks. Today I have a special guest, Barry Long. Barry, how are you, sir?

Barry Long (00:16.504)
I’m good today. How are you doing?

Michael Stansbury (00:18.164)
Excellent sir, thank you for being on the podcast. Folks, real quick, we gotta pay the bills. So Investor Fuel is the sponsor of the Real Estate Pros podcast. At Investor Fuel, we help real estate investors, service providers, and real estate entrepreneurs 2 5X their businesses to allow them to build the businesses they’ve always wanted and to allow them to live the lives they’ve always dreamed of. Barry, thanks for being on the show. I wanna hear about what you’re doing in the education space, but before that, tell us your origin story.

Tell us about the circumstances where it got you to where you are an advocate for those folks that need assistance, need accessibility in houses.

Barry Long (00:58.928)
Yeah, I was that kid wasn’t ready for college. So I moved to Alaska and became a fishing hunting guide. And then in the off season would live in Mexico, get my tan back, you know, talk to girls again and people that weren’t in Alaska. And then I would travel around the country every year and advertise for my lodge in Alaska. And when I did that during the sportsman show circuit, I put my motorcycle in the crate. I shipped it to every town that I went to. So when I got done putting my booth up, I had my motorcycle. I had an old Honda Interceptor racing bike.

And it was at 1050 on a Sunday morning. was on my way from where I was staying to the sportsman show doing 110 ish plus miles an hour as I decided to try and pass four cars at the same time at my. My 22 year old self and one of the tracks in front of me to relate my back tire. I flew off an embankment hit a building and paralyze myself from the chest down. So from 1991 from that moment I hit the building. I haven’t felt anything or moved anything from my chest down.

Michael Stansbury (01:37.188)
Just a leisurely Sunday drive.

Barry Long (01:55.406)
Luckily for me, I’m a manual wheelchair user. still have my fingers in my arms. So I’m a mid-level paraplegic. And when you wake up with that, life is different. And I… Go ahead.

Michael Stansbury (02:08.686)
Yeah, tell me about it. I would like to hear what, as much as you’d like to share, when you were aware of the circumstances and then how long was it, or was it right away that you felt like, right, I’m gonna just accept it and use this.

Barry Long (02:32.727)
Yeah, again, it sounds weird to say, but I got lucky. I could have been a lot more injured than I was. So I spent eight months in the hospital. I was in for a long time. And during that time, there’s a lot of darkness and a lot of cancer and won’t and won’t be able to. And luckily for me, I had a support group that was fantastic. Friends, family, people came out of the woodwork. So I had a really nice support group that wasn’t really wasn’t going to let me fall, but it was really my choice. And it’s kind of interesting because people see me in a manual wheelchair and immediately they go, sorry.

But yet my perspective is if I wasn’t in a manual wheelchair, I’d still be in bed. So this wheelchair was the best thing that ever happened to me. So just taking that attitude of when I left the hospital was like, well, what now? I can’t be a fishing hunting guide and I can’t live on boats in Mexico. So I went back to school, got a marketing degree, played in radio for a little bit. Luckily I lived in Seattle. So the Seattle music scene was at its peak and I got to see all the bands and play in that world. Yeah, I did.

Michael Stansbury (03:26.798)
Did you really? Now I’m jealous.

Barry Long (03:29.335)
I met them all, I got great stories about some of those experiences of crowd surfing in my wheelchair on top of the mosh pit. And then I backpacked around the world with my best friend. It took two and a half years in the wheelchair. He started in New Zealand, he had Australia, and then I ended up in Europe and just backpacked. And while I was traveling, people got motivated by the fact that there was this long haired kid in a wheelchair traveling around the world and I started talking about it.

And next thing you know, I’m rotary clubs. then the next thing that led to was Boeing and Microsoft and Alaska Airlines. And, you know, I ended up turning it into a public speaking career. I’ve got a company called Talk and Roll Enterprises. And yeah, that’s it. I’ve been doing it for years. And then in the meantime, while I was doing my speaking, I got on the Governor’s Committee for Disability. I supported the Secretary of State’s Advisory Board for Accessibility. I’m just that guy.

Michael Stansbury (04:08.802)
Talk and roll everybody.

Barry Long (04:23.343)
I ended up on the building code council for Washington as the accessibility specialist. So I learned advocacy and accessibility, uh, while I was doing all that. And it’s not just about a wheelchair and ramps and a grab bar. It’s blind and deaf and developmentally disabled and aging and all of those things. So in 2015, I did a keynote for marketplace, Sotheby’s international realty just outside of Seattle and Redmond, Washington. And during the gig, they made it did some wine and it’s real estate event. And,

There was a little sass going back and forth. And I just happened to mention, you know, there is no such thing as accessibility in residential real estate. There is no way for me and my wife to buy a home that has wheelchair access. And there’s no way for us to sell our home to get the value that we put into it. You’re Sotheby’s, why don’t you fix it? And be careful what you ask for. Because about a month later, the president of our local Sotheby’s took me out to lunch and went, you’re right. It’s broken. And we’d like you to come help us fix it.

And that was how this whole project started was literally he got out his credit card and some of these paid for me to get my real estate license so I could come in and try and help fix this thing called accessibility in real estate. And it was a, it’s been a really interesting project since then.

Michael Stansbury (05:41.144)
So that was the genesis of it is doing a talk there and saying, hey, here’s a problem. And they said, okay, well, you know, this is typical of an entrepreneur, right? Can you be the solution? Can you figure it out? so how have you, what has been some obstacles or what has been the trajectory since that event? Like what are the things that you’ve done and how have things changed in the MLS and either nationally or is it?

Is this something that you have to do local by local MLS by local MLS? What’s that look like for you?

Barry Long (06:15.819)
So that’s a good series of questions. It started with, I didn’t know anything about real estate. So I started going to meetings and learning and somebody came up to me one day and said, hey, you need to meet this guy named Tom Minty. Tom, he’s trying to do the same thing you are. And I thought, all right, I figured he lived in Kansas. I live in Seattle. So I got his phone number. I picked up the phone and called him, told him what I was doing. And he went, my gosh, this is fantastic. I’ve been a realtor for 20 years and I’ve been doing these things and I want to…

Where do you live? And I went, live in this little town called Woodinville, Washington. And he said, so do I. And he lives eight minutes from here. So he and I got together and he got into it because one of his friends’ moms had multiple sclerosis and she was looking for an accessible home. So he and I got together. We just put all of our information on the table. And then we realized that all real estate is just data. And the lacking point was that there was no way to put the data in the MLS. And then there was also this big fear of the Fair Housing Act and

some other aspects of this that just it hadn’t been done because nobody was willing to take the chance of getting themselves in trouble to do it wrong. So luckily for us, we have the Northwest multiple listing service in our backyard and we approached them and they opened up their doors and said, we don’t know how to do it, but if you do, we’ll partner with you. And they gave us access to their backend database. showed us how they, they captured data, disseminated data, pushed the data out. Cause an MLS isn’t just house of data. I they are the support.

for the real estate network. So MLSs have this huge responsibility and power. And luckily for us, our Northwest multiple said, hey, we are partners with you. What can we do to help? So the problem was, one of your questions was that, if you take a bedroom or a bathroom, there’s a definition for that. So if I tell you that you have a two bedroom, three bath, or a three and a half bath, you know what that means.

because the bedroom has to have these things and a bathroom, it’s a full bath has this and if it’s a three quarters bath, it has that. But there is no definition for accessibility because it’s relative. My accessibility is different than my friend Conrad, who’s in a power chair, than my friend Echo, who’s deaf, than my friend Clark, who’s blind. We all need accessibility, but yet that accessibility doesn’t have a definition. Generally, it’s defined by what our specific needs are. So then there’s also the Fair Housing Act, which says that

Barry Long (08:37.911)
I can’t actually target myself as a human being to market my own house to myself because it would get me in trouble with the Fire Housing Act because I’m targeting now. I’m not even supposed to use wheelchair in my marketing remarks when I have a house that was designed for a wheelchair. So we had these things that stopped the system from working. And luckily the MLS, they were fantastic. They allowed us to understand the process for collecting data. And then we realized that we were too focused on the disabilities.

Then we were on the accessibility and they’re related, but they’re different. So what we did is we broke a property down into sections and we looked at a section of a property and said, wow, this is an entrance. Is this entrance accessible? Well, it is. All right, great. And then we have approach and then we have living space and bathroom and bedroom utilities and, you know, and all these different aspects of a property that we went to the MLS and said, okay, we think we found the solution from the data. And then I my gosh, this is awesome.

So we broke the property down into sections and now in our system, you can actually, when I list a property, I can say it’s a two bed, three bath at Bellevue, Washington, here’s the school district. It also has an accessible approach, entrance, living space, bathroom and bedroom. And then with that comes a form that we created that the broker or the realtor or the real estate professional can go in and they can fill out the details of what that specific part of the property has.

because there is no answer towards accessibility, so each form is just slightly different. Well, now that form gets attached to the listing. Now the buyer can search for the high-level criteria, approach, entrance, living space, these different things, and they can say, wow, this might have what we need for our clients. Let’s pull the form, look at it, go, yeah, this might work. Send it to the clients, and they go, my gosh, this is real close. It’s accessible, possibly. It’s adaptable, probably.

Or maybe it’s just visitable because you want Barry to come over to the Super Bowl, but you don’t want him to stay. So it’s okay that the bedrooms are all upstairs and that I can access the front door. I can get into the living space and I can go to the bathroom. So it took that whole huge unknown and it brought it into a package that the MLS can now use us. And Washington, we have it launched. We’ve got thousands of listings that now have accessibility features listed.

Barry Long (11:00.003)
So to your question of MLSs, we did it here, we know it works. And now I just got to speak in front of a thousand people at the MLS conference in September, and I got to present that to MLSs all over the country. And now we’re slowly starting to roll it out and show them that, hey, you don’t have to be afraid of this. We’ve already figured it out. There’s this thing called RISO, which is the Real Estate Standards Organization, and RISO owns the taxonomy of real estate, you to make sure that…

If Oregon says bedroom and Washington says BDRM, you now have two data points for the same thing. They all have to be the same. And Rizzo has approved our taxonomy for accessibility. Now there’s a whole bunch more words that you can use, but we now know we can go to an MLS and we’re working with Ohio right now and we’re showing them how to implement it. So they now can implement it and then they can turn it around. And then we, because we’ve created a training to support it, can then help their agents learn how to use it and not be afraid of

Michael Stansbury (11:32.451)
Great.

Barry Long (11:57.154)
So, again, we’re so lucky that our Northwest Multiple is as powerful and supportive as they are. They’re really about transparency. So when we came to them, they went, yeah. And now it’s working. think right now California has 37 MLSs and they don’t talk to each other. So the challenge for us is how do we get in with this really feel good, do the right thing process with these MLSs across the board and across the country? It’s been an interesting project, that part of the test.

Michael Stansbury (12:24.256)
So, you did the right thing. started with one and it looks like you’ve got momentum and it just sounds like to me you just need more exposure from those MLSs. Because the thing that we found, because I’m over here in Memphis, right in the middle of the country, is things start out west and they move this way. And so, I think it’s just one of those things about the momentum. You just keep on putting as much fire in the momentum. So, you’re doing classes and these are classes that, you know, because realtors always need.

CE credits. So this is a 10 hour CE credit. Are you going to different MLSs now and educating people in different parts of the country?

Barry Long (13:02.307)
Yeah, so there’s two different sides of it. There’s the MLS side, is getting the data, allowing the data to be captured. And then there’s the real estate side, which is the realtor brokers, agents that are then using that data. So what we did with Washington was we created a three hour course and the course was so well received that they went, can you teach us more? So when we really looked at how do we scale this nationally, we realized that there’s

Only so much time that Tom and I have. So we brought in my best friend from Hollywood and he’s a producer, art director guy, and we decided to make a master class. So to answer your question, we created a 10 hour master class and as a designation now, so somebody can get their accessibility real estate specialist designation. And with that, they right now depends on the state. In Washington, in Ohio, there’s a couple of other states we’re working on 10 o’clock hours is what

what we’ve got here and then we’re working around the country. And then what we did with the training was we wanted people to understand that this isn’t them and us, us and you, or it’s not two different groups of people that we’re talking about, that people with disabilities are all of us. One in four people in this country has some kind of a mobility need. That’s one in four. That means one in four people in your spirit literally has a need for what we’re talking about. And then the boomers are turning, 10,000 are turning.

70 every day for the next 11 years. And my situation, I happen to be a Sunday morning paralysis guy, whereas some people have degenerated things in MS and CP and muscular dystrophy where it comes on slow. So accessibility in itself is relative. So what we did was we just decided to talk about it. This is what disability is. Disability is all of these things. It’s blind, it’s deaf, it’s developmentally disabled.

you know, it’s aging, it’s paralysis. mean, there’s like 10,000 different types of disability. We talked about those that are relative to real estate. And then we said, all right, you can’t actually target this group because of the Fair Housing Act. So what we’re going to do is we’re now going to show you that every single one of these disabilities and situations has a need for some kind of accessibility. And accessibility is just a feature set of a piece of property. So now we’re no longer talking about the person, we’re talking about what the need is.

Michael Stansbury (15:24.376)
Right.

Barry Long (15:24.439)
And the need is not, we’re not worried about the Fair Housing Act. So in the training we talk about, I’ll go ahead.

Michael Stansbury (15:29.442)
You know, no, we’ll keep going. Yeah. I don’t want to interrupt that. Yeah.

Barry Long (15:33.2)
In the training we talk about disability because it’s the white elephant in the room that everybody’s afraid of but once you don’t have to be afraid of it anymore and it’s just a nuance anyhow that we realize that hey, know Barry happens to be in a wheelchair but yet his needs are different than my other friend who’s in a manual wheelchair because Barry raced wheelchairs for a long time so his shoulders hurt more. So my grab bars are different and my toilet is set up in a special way and all these different things that now you learn accessibility and then you learn how it relates

to real estate and then you learn the governance around it. What is the ADA? What is the Fair Housing Act? How do they work? And then we talk about etiquette. How do you work with people with disabilities? Because everybody’s afraid they’re going to say the wrong thing to me when they see me in a wheelchair. And you can’t offend me, but there are some you can. So we talk about it. And what’s awesome with this training is that we did it master class. So we brought people into our studio and I asked every single person, you have a disability or you have a situation. How do you want to be treated?

And everybody said a different answer. It was awesome. So it really just broke down to the fact that this is just about communication and that’s about friendships and about relationships. And once you realize that and you move the fear aside, and these are just people who want to go live in a house just like everybody else does. So then we broke the turning in the second part of the training is just how do you relate this to your business? How do you buy properties that have accessibility? How do you sell properties that have accessibility? What are the lending options for accessibility?

How do you boost your business by understanding accessibility because you now know that disability is all of us and it’s just part of the process. So it’s been so much fun and it’s all online, it’s virtual, people can, they can sign up for it, they can say it whenever they want. It’s just a really fun class that we had a great time creating.

Michael Stansbury (17:19.244)
Now it’s interesting because I think about it’s such an added value, especially for realtors to have that and have that designation. Even now, this is, know, we’re all, you know, just one moment away from having some sort of disability. My wife broke her foot, you know, and she’s driving a cart around. you know, if we didn’t have all these thresholds in the house, life would be a lot better. And, you know,

And so there are certain things that you just don’t think about until something happens.

Barry Long (17:53.36)
You know who relates to me the most is moms with strollers. they seriously moms come up to me and go, I don’t know how you do it. And I’m like, here, let me get the door for you. You know, the automatic door opens. It’s moms with strollers and wheelchairs, man. We played the same game, know, curb cuts, electric doors.

Michael Stansbury (17:56.284)
Yeah.

Michael Stansbury (18:01.666)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michael Stansbury (18:08.8)
Yes. Well, I actually would love a little flavor of the information about the accessibility folks. We’ll have all the show notes in the podcast underneath here in the comments. But tell us a little bit about what was your presentation like to people? What were your, what are the talks that you gave as somebody who has overcome this disability? What I mean overcome it.

I mean that you’re able to live with it, but you’re able live with it with an attitude that says, hey, you know what, I’m just like everybody else, I just gotta figure things out a little bit differently. What did that talk look like, if we can get a flavor for it?

Barry Long (18:49.141)
You know, it depends on my audience. You know, there’s a different audience when I’m talking to kindergarten through third graders and I’m talking to corporate, even though they’re pretty much the same if you really want to look at it that way. You know, attitude is everything. You know, I have bad days that, you know, and those bad days are really bad sometimes. And that it doesn’t, I don’t let it stop me even when I’m having a bad day. And being able to say, hey, you’re the one that controls your attitude and you are the one that controls your mindset. You really are.

I just did a gig, this was so cool. actually spoke, Seattle has what’s called the Supported Employment Group. And it’s a group of people with relatively severe developmental disabilities, and the city of Seattle hires people with disabilities and then supports them in their jobs. And then once a month they all get together and they share notes and they share, I mean, we’re talking every kind of disability. And I was talking about me owning my disability and owning who I am. And I see that as my superpower.

You and I go into a room for an interview and I’m in a wheelchair and you’re not, sorry. They remember me, you know? regardless, it just, is what it is. So I got done with this gig and this little girl raised her hand and said, well, Barry, how do you not be offended by people when they say bad things? And I’m like, nobody can offend me. They don’t have the power to offend me. Only I can choose to be offended. And we are in an interesting time right now where people get so overly offended by things that other people say. I’m like,

Nobody can offend me. You don’t have that right. I control my own emotions. And by owning my own emotions and knowing that this is my choice, that I can overcome whatever it is that I want. Not saying it’s easy, but I choose to do that. So, you I ended up going into a crowd at a Presidents of the United States of America concert, because you nodded when I said Seattle Music scene, so you know who the presidents are. And next thing I know, I had some big muscle, like,

Michael Stansbury (20:28.94)
Right.

Barry Long (20:44.151)
Mr. Clean looking dude, he was like, dude, you need to go up. And I went, all right. So he picked me up with his buddy. And next thing you know, I’m crowd surfing in my wheelchair on top of the mosh pit. And it was awesome. And Chris Ballou, the lead singer of the presidents looked at me and was like, that’s so cool, man. I was like, my God, this is so fun. And then I dropped down and then the bouncer kicked me out of the club. It’s called Mo’s.

And he’s like, you are a liability to you and everybody else. Don’t you dare do that again. And I was outside arguing with this guy and all of the door opens up and the guy goes, get the handicapped guy back in the room, man. The band went off stage and said they aren’t playing until you bring them back. And I’ve been friends with the guys in the presidents ever since because well, hey, I became the mosh pit guy. I had hair halfway down my waist and I mean, I was total grungy at the time.

Michael Stansbury (21:25.205)
Absolutely.

Michael Stansbury (21:30.828)
Yes, but you didn’t let any of that stand in the way. was it their song was a Peaches? Is that what it was? That was one of them. It’s just sometimes it comes to mind. All right. So you saw them and of course you probably saw the Pearl Jam and Nirvana and all the. See we, we, all, that was, that was, if I was in that scene, I would have loved it. I never got to see any of those guys at Seattle. I got to see him when they came through, but that’s a, that’s, that’s pretty awesome.

Barry Long (21:37.581)
That was one of them. Yeah, that was one of them. Yeah, that’s the band.

Barry Long (21:45.707)
I I did. I got to see them all.

Barry Long (22:00.218)
That was pretty cool. got to see him in clubs that were smaller than your house. mean, yeah, right. I’m reaching up and I’m hitting the buttons on his, you know, on his guitar. So, you know, what’s interesting and the story I just told is actually kind of the epitome of the answer to your question that I learned that sometimes we have to get our own get out of our own way. If we want to do the things we want to do because asking for help is one of the hugest challenges that we face in our society. Because when I ask you for help,

it’s perceived as I am weaker and I can’t do it myself. But I look at it just the opposite, that when I ask you for help, you and I, I now have your superpower too. And that you and I can get me anywhere. So I have to get over myself and say, you know, sometimes it’s just better if I ask somebody else to help me do something. Sometimes it’s better for me to do it myself. But when I flip that switch and say, no, man, I need help with this. You know, I have my favorite photo of me is, and all the pictures is.

I’m up on top of the mosh pit and all you see is a hundred hands of people I don’t know holding me in the air. And it’s because they all saw a need. I wasn’t afraid to accept the help that was there. I didn’t even ask some guys picked me up and the next thing you know, I’m crowd surfing. But that asking and accepting help is a huge challenge that we face. that’s one of my main messages that, hey, we’re not in this alone. We’re all in this together and you need to capitalize on this.

I mean, my partner Tom and I, my wife Emily is the one who keeps us in line and Mike, the producer, he’s LA. So all of us together have made this awesome training that we couldn’t have done by ourselves. And we interviewed hundreds of people because I’m not an expert in accessibility. I’m an expert in my accessibility, but not when Echo came in and we were doing ASL with her interpreter and Mike and I were just looking at each other going, this is so cool.

How are we going to get her on a podcast?

Michael Stansbury (23:57.006)
Right. Well, with that being said, I want to ask, I’m always interested in attitude is everything, who, as you were going through these stages of life and going through the accident and where you are today, was there any mentors or was there any kind of mastermind that you were part of that had an impact on you, kind of helped you?

either formulate an idea or just help you with a big problem to solve.

Barry Long (24:33.389)
Yeah, again, I was really lucky that my core, my group of guys, they didn’t care. And when I say they didn’t care, they didn’t care that I was in a wheelchair. you know, carrying me up the stairs to a party was just, I mean, the day I left the hospital, we went to a party because, you know, I just had to go see whether I could still do what I did before. And we got there and there was 13 steps to get into the house. And before I even knew it, I was already in the house because one guy grabbed me and one guy grabbed my chair.

Michael Stansbury (25:02.902)
your boys. That’s awesome.

Barry Long (25:03.275)
So it was, mean, and one of the guys was in the Navy and he couldn’t come. So I still have the dog tags hanging on my, in my studio, you know, that he was like, I’m here with you. So I was really lucky. My mom and dad and my brother and sister, my core group of friends, they didn’t let me say no because there were bad days. mean, there were days that were really ugly. And, and when you’ve got people around you that go, yeah, we know it’s ugly, but we’ll power through it with you.

Michael Stansbury (25:33.048)
Yeah.

Barry Long (25:33.092)
Again, that was me. Again, I go back to my, I was so humbled when I had to ask for help that first time because when I crashed, I was 22 years old. I had already lived in Alaska. I had lived in Mexico. I had already traveled. I rode a motorcycle 5,000 miles across, you know, Mexico into Central America. And here I was laying in bed like a two year old and I couldn’t even change my own socks. And I realized that, man, it’s bigger than I am. So I don’t have an answer for you with that. I don’t have.

I’m a I leaned on the people who I needed to lean on at the time. And they’re still my friends. they’re all, mean, Mike, my producer, you know, now he was when I had to leave my parents’ house and it was like, Mike, you live in Arizona. Can I come live with you for a while? I’m this newly wheeled shared guy. he went, dude, I live in a 300 square foot. And I went, I don’t care. And every morning he picked me up out of my chair and carried me into the bathroom and set me in the toilet, picked me up and then set me into the shower.

because it wasn’t accessible, but accessibility is relative because attitude overcame the inaccessibility. And that was really when I learned, could do whatever it is that I want to do. I just have to not be afraid to ask for help.

Michael Stansbury (26:47.534)
There it is folks. Barry, where can people reach out to you? Where are all you on the socials, on the internet? Where can people find you?

Barry Long (26:55.289)
So a couple of things. So I have a company called Talk and Roll. And that’s my public speaking world. Real estate, we have a company called Able Environments. And Able Environments is where you find the training and where you find what we’ve done with the MLSs. And then just a side note, because I got to plug it because I have an opportunity, Mike and I, because we have a studio and we have video equipment, we’ve been talking since I went to visit him in Arizona back in early 90s about making a TV show. So we’ve been working on the pilot of a TV show.

and it’s called Barry’s Accessible World. And I want to highlight the fact that accessibility is what you make it. And I took a quadriplegic skydiving. I went to a deaf dance studio and learned how to dance with a group of deaf dancers. That was insane and awesome. I went to dinner with a blind gentleman who now we’re working on going to a Seahawks game, blindfolding me and me going with the blind guy. I say blind guy because he’s one of my friends.

Michael Stansbury (27:42.08)
Okay.

Michael Stansbury (27:52.184)
There’s a hook there, man. That’s awesome. I love it. Yeah.

Barry Long (27:54.357)
telling you. then, the best thing is, is I actually got to go, there’s a company outside of Seattle called Dirtfish Rally School, and they put hand controls in one of their off-road rally cars. And I got to go for eight hours and learn how to drift race cars. So we’re real close to having the pilot out. So Barry’s Accessible World. And I actually have a podcast too, that I’ve interviewed. You’ll learn some things about the Seattle music scene, because I happen to know a couple of peeps. But it’s, you know, it’s once you make it, it’s just been so much fun. And the real estate thing has just…

It’s been such a gift for me. I got into it thinking I was going to fix a small problem. And here I am nine years later as a real estate broker, working with MLSs around the country. And now we’re about ready to pop it in a way that I couldn’t have ever anticipated in the beginning. It’s been so much fun.

Michael Stansbury (28:42.624)
Awesome, well Barry thanks for being part of the Real Estate Pros podcast. Folks, all the information about Barry and his education will be underneath the show notes. Feel free to reach out to him, give him a call and look out for, now what’s the hook gonna be called again? Barry’s Accessible World, I love it. B-A-W, coming to Netflix, Netflix, Blimey Sooners, whoever buys this thing. yeah, Barry, thank you for being on the podcast. Appreciate it folks. Like and subscribe and we’ll see ya.

Barry Long (28:57.839)
Very accessible world.

Barry Long (29:05.967)
That’s we’re hoping.

Michael Stansbury (29:12.062)
next time.