Transform Your Real Estate Game: Top Automation Strategies

John Harcar (00:00.59)
All right. Hey, guys. Welcome back to our show. I’m your host, John Harcar. And I’m here today with Kevin Brenner. And besides his journey in business, we’re going to talk about how he’s using AI. And he’s going to show us actually a demo that’s going to blow us away. So I’m really excited to talk about that. Remember, guys, at Investor Fuel, we help real estate investors, service providers, really all real estate entrepreneurs, 2 to 5x their business by providing tools and resources to grow.

that business that you’ve always wanted to have and live that life you wanted to live. So Kevin, welcome to our show.

Kevin Brenner (00:36.086)
Hey, thanks, John. It’s really a pleasure to be here.

John Harcar (00:37.836)
I’m excited to talk about this man. I mentioned that our next meeting coming up we have AI so I’m very stoked that you have a demo. This is cool. But before we talk about all that, why don’t you give our audience just a kind of little background on you, you how you got here and you know what your business looks like.

Kevin Brenner (00:57.538)
Yeah, totally. So super quick, high level background served about 10 years active duty Air Force. I was a meteorologist. You know, appreciate that man. Yeah. So I did that. And, you know, as I was kind of my last gig was at the Pentagon. I was brief in the top brass, Secretary of Defense, all of those things, you know, on global weather and all kinds of stuff like that. In the process of my active duty service, I started buying real estate, use my VA loan, bought a quadplex, then I bought another quadplex and started started like kind of

John Harcar (01:04.76)
Thank you for your service.

John Harcar (01:24.974)
Nice.

Kevin Brenner (01:27.17)
really understanding wealth and rich dad, poor dad, and did all of those things that I’m sure a lot of your guests have kind of been through.

John Harcar (01:32.302)
Okay, stop right there. Was that the book? I like to ask people like, was there something that kind of push you to real estate? Okay, so, okay, the purple book, we got it. We got it. Love it.

Kevin Brenner (01:36.78)
yeah, of course it was the book. Yeah, of course. Of course it was the book. yeah, yeah, yeah, of course it was the book. So yeah, from there, you know, kind of kind of went and started building businesses and kind of launching that and left the service left active duty late 2021. And and really kind of found my way in the in the

high ticket digital core space. So was working for a company called active duty passive income, awesome group of guys and girls. We built pretty much the largest military real estate investing company, digital education company. So we were selling high ticket courses and commercial real estate and residential real estate and short term rentals and all of that. So did a lot of work. I hosted the podcast for four and half years had some really awesome guests on that show. And it was just it was just a blast. So yeah, and then recently,

you know, fast forward, I guess to about like nine ish months ago, I, we we my wife and I went to Europe for a couple months, we came back, we decided, hey, we’re gonna plant our flag in Charlotte, North Carolina, and we’re gonna start flipping houses. And, you know, my wife comes from a she’s a professional interior designer, commercial interior designer designs hotels for a living. So you got her thing, you got my real estate thing, like, yes, match made in heaven, let’s make this happen. Exactly. So while I was with

John Harcar (02:54.126)
Perfect.

Kevin Brenner (02:58.335)
active duty passive income, I was building AI bots. I was the VP of sales ran a full sales floor. But I was also trying to figure out, okay, how can we qualify leads? We’re spending two to three grand a day on meta ads. How can I qualify more of these leads? So I started really digging into AI and, I pretty much had, you know, unlimited amount of leads to test what I was building on. And it really, really worked. So when we started flipping houses, I said, Okay, well, I could qualify these leads to and

John Harcar (03:10.306)
Mm-hmm.

Kevin Brenner (03:28.363)
lo and behold, it really, worked. So you know, we were using PPL. So paper lead services, you know, your your, yeah, whatever leads, although and all of those property leads lead would come in, the AI would instantly reach out text qualify the lead, book an appointment, I’d show up contract in hand, get the house under contract. And I thought every house flipper john was doing this. Until I started going, yeah, until I started going to the yeah, until I started going to the local

John Harcar (03:33.795)
Mm-hmm.

John Harcar (03:50.83)
Yeah, no, hardly.

Kevin Brenner (03:57.602)
RIA meetings and kind of saying, hey, I’m Kevin, I’m doing this, I got this AI thing going. And their minds were just melted. So that was like my first like, ding, ding, ding, there’s an opportunity here. Then about a month and a half later, I go to Tony Robbins’ Date with Destiny. If you’ve ever been to a, if you or your audience have ever been to a Tony event, it’s one of those things where you, he lights a fire under your butt and under your feet physically. Yeah, and I’m like, so I start building the PropertyBots brand and website while I’m there.

John Harcar (04:05.944)
Yeah.

John Harcar (04:18.048)
Yeah, you wanna run through a wall.

Kevin Brenner (04:27.081)
we launch immediately and you know, it’s the sky’s the limit ever since. So we’ve been really, really grateful to be able to help real estate investors of all shapes and sizes from, you know, wholesalers and house flippers, you know, and some big time wholesalers who are doing, you know, a couple million a year in profit to commercial real estate investors with self storage facilities to home service companies to, you know,

John Harcar (04:47.726)
Mm-hmm.

Kevin Brenner (04:53.769)
Anything that we’re able to go and integrate this technology into we are we are finding we’re making you know in q1 alone We helped our clients generate an additional four hundred thousand dollars of bottom line bottom line Yeah

John Harcar (04:57.496)
right?

John Harcar (05:07.884)
Incredible. That’s awesome. That really is.

You were a meteorologist.

Kevin Brenner (05:15.423)
I was.

John Harcar (05:17.088)
you got into real estate. What struggles, challenges, differences, what things, you know, as you’re getting into this part of what is soon to be the, you know, good chunk of your next five years at the so far, like what is it that that you maybe kind of ran up against the wall on something?

Kevin Brenner (05:18.956)
I did.

Kevin Brenner (05:36.394)
Man you name it. I did it from you know from that first deal, you know, you get that first deal your hands shaking at the closing table You’re like, my god, what am I doing? I’m going into you know at the time three hundred fifty thousand dollars worth of debt, you know and and then by the way Right after I close that deal effectively like two weeks after I close that deal I get orders to go to Washington DC that deals in Savannah, Georgia. I get orders go to Washington DC can’t even live in it and I have to

John Harcar (05:59.47)
Mmm.

Kevin Brenner (06:04.663)
figure out how how am going to remotely renovate four units and and stabilize the property and I was able to do that by leveraging my network and making it happen. Were there trials and tribulations along the way? Of course. But yeah, I think I think my military, you know, my military background and, you know, understanding for for any veterans listening, they’ll they’ll be able to resonate with this understanding that, hey, you have the mission and you got to complete the mission. And that’s just how it goes. And having that grit and that determination

John Harcar (06:07.916)
Right?

Kevin Brenner (06:34.657)
to, you know, and understanding it’s a who not how problem that we don’t, it’s not, we don’t have to figure out everything. We just have to build our network deep enough to go and ask someone else, Hey, I’m running into this problem. You probably ran into it too. Can you help me? And, and having that kind of, I don’t know, knowledge, guess, experience, from the, military career that really helped.

John Harcar (06:54.595)
Mm-hmm.

That’s awesome. And you were doing this remote. How did you find good contractors? How’d you find good people to use to do these flips for you since you weren’t there?

Kevin Brenner (07:04.705)
Yeah, well initially I didn’t I had hired this guy Yeah, well, okay. So let’s see first I hired the guy who said he fixed everything wired him the full amount of money up front That was stupid. So that was a quick way quick way to lose $10,000 and then $10,000 I didn’t really have by the way and then let’s see then I hired another guy who was like one of the subs that worked for some guy and he’s like yeah, I’m really young and

John Harcar (07:06.606)
Another mistake.

John Harcar (07:15.918)
Kevin Brenner (07:30.67)
You know, he was a hustler right and I was like, okay awesome. This is gonna be great You know giving the contract to do like six of the units cuz I had picked up another quadplex so and and and he’s like, yeah, got all this stuff done all this stuff done I fly down from DC to do a spot check and Nothing’s done or he’s like I I’m in the apartment. I’m in one of the units and I call him back Hey, man, what’s up? He’s like, yeah, I’m working on it right now I’m in I’m in the apartment, know 4g or whatever and I’m like looking around I was like

John Harcar (07:38.712)
Mm-hmm.

John Harcar (07:48.547)
Wow.

John Harcar (07:59.598)
Yeah, goodbye bud.

Kevin Brenner (07:59.854)
Was like you’re fired I threw all this yeah, yeah threw all of his tools out out on the street and then Got it got another contractor in and he had the whole unit all the entire quadplex was done in three weeks And you know and it’s amazing we raised rents the I I bought it and it was renting for like $700 a month, you know per unit and now I just talked my property manager the other day. We’re renting it for 1650 a month so

John Harcar (08:14.221)
Wow.

John Harcar (08:28.462)
Ooh, did you have a lot of value add on that or?

Kevin Brenner (08:29.867)
Yeah, cash flows like a champ.

like 60 grand in value add not that much. Yeah. Yeah.

John Harcar (08:36.046)
No. You’re running hard, you’re scaling fast, you know, as you’re doing this, what are some of the pressures that, you know, started to build up on you or, you know, things that kept coming up that were just like, you know, more difficult, more challenging.

Kevin Brenner (08:50.005)
Yeah, well, I mean, I’m also at this time, I’m active duty, right? So I’m working. Yeah. So this is not my my full time gig, I’m working. And then I kind of, by the time I got to DC, I knew that a career in the military was not for me. So I was able to kind of transition into into that active duty passive income role. And we’re starting we’re building and we’re doing a lot of cool stuff there. And, and, you we built that from a 1200 member Facebook group to like 100,000 member private Facebook group and you know, tons of you know, seven figure

John Harcar (08:53.038)
Well, true,

Kevin Brenner (09:19.585)
company, which was really fun, a lot of work, but really fun. And I’m learning. I think that’s the biggest thing, biggest thing for your audience right now is it’s not, it’s about the skills that you learn along the way. So if you’re at a W two right now and you are still learning a valuable skill, and I would argue that the most valuable skill you can learn right now is AI or sales. If you’re in a role and you haven’t mastered sales yet, or you haven’t really mastered AI and you have that opportunity in that role,

John Harcar (09:23.672)
Sure.

Kevin Brenner (09:47.81)
then stick with it, keep the paycheck. Take advantage of that, yeah. But when you’re no longer learning something, that’s the sign. That means you’re ready to fly the nest. You’re okay, it’s gonna be okay.

John Harcar (09:49.752)
take advantage of it, Yeah.

John Harcar (10:00.194)
Right. No, I like that. And that and that’s what a lot of people are afraid of. They’re afraid of of jumping out of that comfort zone. So what does your business look like today? Like what do you mention? You’re in North Carolina. Are you still you’re flipping single family multifamily?

Kevin Brenner (10:18.029)
So we kind of shut down the flips because yeah, because you know, I still have the I saw one of the quadplexes I sold one of them. I have another one that thing runs like clockwork out of property manager cash flows, five, six grand a month. I’m not going to turn that off anytime soon. The the other one, like I said, we sold and the flipping business we kind of winding down because the AIs is really where I needed to focus. So I found myself at one time working kind of like four different jobs. And I made my mantra for this year for 2025 to be all in.

John Harcar (10:20.286)
okay.

John Harcar (10:48.206)
Mmm. Yep.

Kevin Brenner (10:48.265)
All in you got to go all in. So I started winding down all these other businesses and we didn’t even talk about I had a short term rental management company. I had a private equity firm. had just a lot of stuff going and I over the last 18 months have been winding those down winding those down so I can focus on the one thing that I’m most passionate about. And and and that’s that’s AI and real estate and AI for real estate investors. So yeah, we have one more flip on the market here and when that goes, we’re gonna we’re gonna wind that down and yep, yep.

John Harcar (11:16.011)
You’re done and all in. Were those other companies profitable enough to where you could have put systems and processes in place, hired the right people and maybe kept those up and running?

Kevin Brenner (11:18.177)
Going all in.

Kevin Brenner (11:27.085)
The short term rental one was yeah, I mean, but that was just an arbitrage company and we were really lean I had like a virtual assistant I was arbitraging deals and and just taking you know taking the taking the spread the private equity firms Those were those were big flops. I had two of them, you know Well, I had a harebrained idea back in 2021 2022 to start raising capital from real estate agents like really like like high net worth real estate agents and

John Harcar (11:43.022)
Why what happened?

Kevin Brenner (11:56.482)
We did a fund of funds model. So we were raising capital into a fund and putting that into commercial real estate, you know, syndications and stuff, because I was very well connected in that space. So I thought, you know, this is a when you think of a new business idea, I was naive at the point at the time, and I thought, hey, no one else is doing this. That means that it must it must mean that no one else has thought about this before.

John Harcar (12:02.83)
Mm-hmm.

Kevin Brenner (12:22.635)
But in reality, what I learned very quickly or over the over the course of six to eight months was that no one’s doing it because it doesn’t work. You’re trying to get salespeople unsophisticated, high net worth salespeople to actually build wealth and not just get rich. And that was a that was a big challenge. So was speaking all over the country at these KKW things and these exp things and hey, this is how you can reduce your taxes through cost segregation and bonus depreciation and and you know, commercial real estate and

John Harcar (12:30.69)
Right.

Kevin Brenner (12:51.233)
You can actually build wealth, can get out of production, all of these things. And they’d say, hey, if I invest 100K, what’s my commission look like? And I was like, okay, you guys just aren’t getting this. I was like that, you know, so we raised some money, we closed on 140 unit apartment complex and stuff, and that did okay. And but it was, it just wasn’t sustainable, you know.

John Harcar (13:01.248)
Right, right.

John Harcar (13:08.11)
Okay.

Right, okay. And before we kind of get into some of that demo and start talking about the AI stuff, what do you think overall, and you mentioned that you referred a little bit to it being in the military, but overall, what are your keys to success? What has been your drivers?

Kevin Brenner (13:25.515)
Yeah, I mean, it’s it’s been building the network. I mentioned this earlier, who not how that is really that’s got it. No one is doing this in a silo. The most successful real estate investor knows 1000 more real estate investors. And and that’s just you really, really have to focus on that. And and and in order to build a network, you have to provide value. Literally, like when you’re talking to someone, don’t just feign interest, genuinely care about what they’re talking about.

You have to like the just the art of conversations and and and networking networking is just a conversation with a purpose right? Don’t just go in and do the motions and say huh huh huh. Be intentional ask a question be be genuine and you’ll start to build real rapport and then follow up with these folks and say you know what you mentioned that thing I think I can help you with that and and if I can’t help you then I will tap my network to

John Harcar (14:06.882)
Be intentional.

Kevin Brenner (14:23.617)
to see who can help you. And that’s what business is all about. Business is just a series of handshakes. So if you think you’re gonna go it alone, don’t do that. But that’s one of the primary keys to success.

John Harcar (14:33.762)
And if you do try to do it alone, it’s going to be a very lonely road. mean, I, before I joined our mastermind back in 2018, yeah, it was kind of a, you know, you’re on an island. You don’t have, you know, I can only high five my cat so much on deals, deals that I get. So yeah, it’s a hundred percent. So let’s talk about, let’s talk about what you’re doing now. Just for folks that maybe you’re on here that aren’t fully informed, what is AI?

Kevin Brenner (14:38.007)
Maybe.

Kevin Brenner (14:50.465)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Brenner (15:01.933)
Yeah, yeah. So, so AI artificial intelligence and what we’re doing at property bots is we are solving the one problem we saw the speed to lead. So imagine you’re you’re a wholesaler out there, right? You got leads coming in there, the you know, maybe they’re they’re they’re coming in PPC paper click from Google AdWords. Maybe they’re PPL lead, like we were talking about before. And they’re coming into your said, maybe they’re just going to your website and filling out a form. Well, what happens?

Well, once they fill out a form, it’s gonna go maybe to a salesperson or something like that. if that person’s around, maybe they’ll go and call that lead. With AI, what we’re doing at PropertyBots is we are reducing the speed to lead to less than 18 seconds. And if any of your audience is an Alex Hormozi fan, they’ll know that if you can reduce your speed to lead to less than 60 seconds, your sales will go up 391%. And we’ve seen that across our clients. Like I mentioned earlier,

John Harcar (15:50.254)
percent.

Kevin Brenner (15:55.246)
So what we’re seeing is that the moment a lead comes into your website or wherever lead comes into your system boom They’re a voice AI call. Hey, it’s Alex from one two three home buyers I saw you just fill out a form. Is it okay if I ask you a couple questions? About your home and it’s and and then they’re asking questions They’re qualifying the lead and then they’re booking a belly-to-belly in-person property assessment in the wholesaler case Go out there contract in hand close the contract. Let’s say they don’t pick up the phone John

John Harcar (16:22.158)
Mm-hmm.

Kevin Brenner (16:22.261)
Okay, they don’t pick up the phone. The tech spot is going to follow up and say, Hey, it’s Hannah here from 123 home buyers. My teammate Alex just tried to give you a ring. Is it okay if I asked you a couple questions about your home? And everything is integrated into your system. It’s all conversational AI, the AI takes over. It’s all objective based. It’s all custom to your business and what you want to handle. And and this this technology is is applicable pretty much across any small business, but we’re focused specifically on real estate investors.

So so folks in the wholesaler flipper space the commercial real estate. We got self storage facility clients. We got home service clients pool companies and mediation like serve pro type situations like things like that, you know, and and we’re able to go and really replace the people who are answering the phones with someone who is you know, is is

John Harcar (16:52.494)
Mm-hmm.

John Harcar (17:06.37)
Yeah, okay, yeah.

Kevin Brenner (17:19.565)
Potentially your best friend, right, who’s read 200 million books, has a photographic memory, and can recall anything and everything about your business at the drop of the hat and never forgets anything. And, oh, sorry.

John Harcar (17:29.134)
That’s incredible. mean, and no, I said that the the the level of intelligence is just I mean, and what it can do. It’s amazing. And it really is.

Kevin Brenner (17:38.007)
Yeah, and also it can also hold 1800 conversations at the same time. So you tell me which one of your employees is going to be able to do that.

It’s not gonna happen.

John Harcar (17:50.348)
Now a lot of people, mean, at least from what I hear, you know, think like, well, yeah, AI is cool, in bots, you know, bots just, you could tell they’re bots, right? You just know you’re talking to a bot, not a real person.

Kevin Brenner (18:02.541)
Yeah. And, and here’s, here’s the deal. All of our voice AI, we tell the client or we tell the lead that this is an AI assistant. If you’re a wholesaler, you’re in the business of what building rapport and trying to get someone to sell them their home that they’re probably very emotional about. Do you want to start that interaction off with a lie? No. So you tell them, Hey, this is an AI assistant and they’re, able to be there 24 seven, three 65, no vacation days, no bathroom breaks. They never get sick.

They’re answering phone calls. You know, how about those leads that call in at two in the morning? Hey, guess who? Guess who’s answering the phone? You know, your voice AI assistant and it’s able to go in and book, you know, that that that appointment so that your your sales folks or your property specialist or whatever the case study is, they’re able to go out and close the deal. And that’s really what you want. You want to convert those inbound leads that are somewhat interested into super hot qualified leads and and get to them instantaneously.

John Harcar (18:35.416)
Hmm, yeah.

John Harcar (19:00.904)
Because these leads especially like the online stuff they go out to multiple people speed to lead is huge All right, man Let’s see it. I Want to hear it? I’ve been waiting for this So guys just so you know, he’s gonna run us a quick demo on on how his bot talks to the to the person they’re calling

Kevin Brenner (19:05.399)
Sure. my God, yeah.

Let’s see it. OK. Let me.

Kevin Brenner (19:20.289)
Yeah, so so I’m gonna it’s gonna call me right now and then I’ll put it on speakerphone for y’all. Let’s give it a second here Alright, so it’s calling me. Let just open this up

Is this Kevin? Yeah, this is Kevin.

I’m Chris and I’m an AI powered voice assistant with PropertyBots.ai. Would you like to run a quick live demo to see what I can do? Yeah, sure Chris. Let’s do it.

Kevin Brenner (19:49.974)
AI. We help real estate pros quickly integrate custom done for you AI solutions into their sales funnel to drive serious revenue. Before we get started, can you do me a favor and verify your first and last name for me? Yeah, it’s Kevin Brenner.

Thanks, Kevin. Just a heads up, if at any time you’d like to be transferred to one of my human teammates, just let me know. Sound good? Yeah, it sounds cool.

Awesome. And what’s the name of your business, Kevin? It’s actually PropertyBots.

So you’re calling about integrating AI solutions into property bots. Yep, that’s it.

In a few words, can you describe what product or service you provide your clients? We help real estate pros integrate and implement custom AI solutions into their businesses.

Kevin Brenner (20:41.645)
Your company helps real estate pros integrate and implement custom AI solutions into their businesses, right? Yep, that’s right.

And what’s your roller title within PropertyBots? Are you the big boss or do you have a fancy title like Chief AI Wizard? I’m the big boss.

Kevin Brenner (21:07.575)
to meet the big boss. Now what’s one qualifying question that you would ask a new lead interested in your business? How many monthly inbound leads do you get?

Kevin Brenner (21:23.085)
What is a closed lead worth to them?

Knowing what a closed lead is worth helps you understand their potential ROI and tailor your solutions accordingly.

you close a new lead in your business? How about how many monthly appointments are you booking?

Kevin Brenner (21:57.602)
Kevin, I think I have everything I need. Would you be interested in running a quick live demo where I’ll act as an AI voice agent for Property Box and try to get you to book an appointment? Yeah, sure. Let’s do it.

Here’s how this will work. I’ll act as an AI voice agent for your business and you pretend that you’re an interested lead calling in to find out more information. Sound like a plan? Yeah.

Okay, let’s kick this thing off.

Kevin Brenner (22:27.405)
I heard about you guys on this awesome investor fuel podcast and I wanted to call in and find out more

Kevin Brenner (22:38.475)
We can definitely help. Is it OK if I ask you a few quick questions? Yeah, sure.

So how many monthly inbound leads do you get? About 65.

Thanks for sharing. So you get about 65 monthly inbound leads. That’s fantastic. Now what is a closed lead worth to you? About $21,000.

John Harcar (22:58.35)
sounds so real.

Kevin Brenner (23:04.077)
Wow, $21,000 per closed lead. That’s impressive. Now, how many monthly appointments are you booking? We get about 11 appointments a month.

Thanks for sharing, Kevin. So you get about 11 appointments a month. The next step is to get you booked on an appointment. How does tomorrow at 2 PM sound? Sounds great. OK, Kevin, that’s a

Kevin Brenner (23:30.615)
All right, now Chris is gonna go on and try to get you to book a call, book an appointment with me.

John Harcar (23:34.018)
to book it up. That’s really, that’s, that’s really cool. I mean, it’s the voice sounds it, you know, even like when they like she says kind of like an under voice, like that’s awesome. You know, it’s like that sounds so real. If someone didn’t tell me that was AI bought, wouldn’t, I wouldn’t have known except for the delay.

Kevin Brenner (23:43.551)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kevin Brenner (23:52.268)
Yeah, yeah, and there’s that you know that that is is you know, I use a Essentially a cheaper demo because the to reduce your latency just cost more money So when I’m building bots for clients, we’re we’re we’re doing the kind of the full Monty versus just a little quick generalized demo. Yeah

John Harcar (24:03.468)
Yeah, yeah.

John Harcar (24:10.184)
Well, but also too, it’s like they said it at the beginning, right? I’m an AI powered bot. yeah, there’s gonna be someone understands they’re talking to but it’s like you really when that conversation is so real, that is incredible, man. That’s awesome.

Kevin Brenner (24:14.711)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kevin Brenner (24:22.541)
Yeah, and and this is cranking like for clients right now. It’s answering the phones. I had a client Guy calls in he’s a wholesaler guy calls in at 1225 a.m An older older gentleman talks to the bot, you know gets qualified appointment books tomorrow And they go and close close this guy. It’s worth $30,000 They would have not gotten that $30,000 had they not had AI because no one’s working at 1230. Yeah

John Harcar (24:47.342)
Sign me up. Sign me up. Let’s go. I love it, man. It’s such a great tool. And I think that’s definitely a way that a lot of people need to go and are going to go. If they want to reach out to you and they want to get a demo, they want to find out more about it, how do they get in touch?

Kevin Brenner (25:05.995)
Yeah, the best way honestly is just go to www.propertybots.ai. You’ll see kind of a demo button and some different things there. There’s a calculator you can play around with. It’ll teach you how much money you can actually make with this technology each month. But just go and demo it, man. It’s just fun. Even if you don’t end up booking a call, I don’t really care. You can demo the text. You can demo the voice. You can mess around with it. You can ask it wild and crazy questions.

And I promise you, it’ll handle everything you throw at it because everything’s custom coded. And, you know, we built this for real estate investors. And that’s who I am. And that’s who I like to serve.

John Harcar (25:47.298)
I love it, man. That’s incredible. Guys, I hope you took some good notes on this podcast, man. He covered some great stuff. Kevin, thank you again for coming on and sharing your business, your bot, your AI. I would reach out. I will probably reach out. And I hope you guys enjoyed this show. And we’ll see you on the next one. Cheers.

Kevin Brenner (26:05.902)
Appreciate it, John.