Stop Losing Money! Essential Tips for Building, Flipping and Wholesaling Success

Brett McCollum (00:00.417)
All right guys, welcome back to the show. I’m your host Brett McCollum and I’m here today with John Robinson. Today we’re gonna be talking about building, flipping and wholesaling, the trifecta if you will. But before we do, at Investor Fuel, we help real estate investors, service providers and real estate entrepreneurs to 5X their businesses to allow them to build the businesses they’ve always wanted and live the lives they’ve always dreamed of. Without further ado, John, how are you man?

John Buys Houses (00:24.455)
I’m doing great, Brett. You can’t wait to get started on this. So we’ve already been having some great conversations. So let’s jump into it.

Brett McCollum (00:30.311)
Yeah. Dude, super excited, man. Yeah, and getting to know you a bit before this was fun. We have a lot of good content, I know, coming down the line for everybody. But before we do, John, let’s do us a favor. Same thing I ask everybody. Backup, rewind, give some context and history. Who is John Robinson?

John Buys Houses (00:46.829)
Yeah, well, thank you. I probably you mentioned that might be the question we’re going to start with. So I was thinking about it and I probably go back to me being about, I guess, seven or eight years old. And my dad and our family had moved to Oregon from the Chicago area. My mom and dad had met at Bible School in the Hammond, Indiana area. And so they had met there. They’d been involved in some ministry and moved out to Oregon to help a kind of a fledgling little church.

Brett McCollum (01:10.191)
Mm-hmm.

John Buys Houses (01:16.04)
in Oregon and my dad, I have memories of my dad being the pastor, the school principal during the day and then having a welding job at night and then flipping cars wherever you could find them to help pay the bills. So that’s kind of where I start. That’s my background is in literally growing up with somebody who was out there doing it all the time. So that’s probably where I started.

Brett McCollum (01:27.077)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (01:42.457)
Yeah, it is so funny. We didn’t even talk about that. So my dad was a pastor also. And I remember when we moved to the church that he is for, because he kind of became a pastor, like, I would have been maybe also seven or eight, somewhere in that range, something like that. And we moved to this small town in South Georgia.

And small town Georgia pastors don’t really make any money, man. You know, and he wasn’t even the senior pastor. He was the children’s pastor. Right. So I remember him working two and three jobs, you know, you know, on top of that. And it was just, you know, my mom, you know, having to work to you through that, you know, and yeah, man, it’s definitely love that life, you know.

John Buys Houses (02:10.921)
No. No.

John Buys Houses (02:16.061)
Yeah, let’s see. Is that even paid?

John Buys Houses (02:34.367)
Yeah, I think a lot of people don’t realize that some of the big name pastors that are on TV or influencers even on the internet or social media, that’s not the norm for ministry. Most people that are involved in ministry are severely underpaid and usually overworked. so that’s definitely, my dad never was like, okay, I’m gonna settle into just whatever the church can pay me. The church really couldn’t pay him anything. So he took a position that

And the pastor, the church had been through some trouble because of a former pastor. So like the church was in debt to a bunch of people in town. My dad worked together with some of the businessmen in the church to get that taken care of. They contributed to the church so the church could pay off its debt. So looking back, like my dad was like, know, entrepreneur, like a fundraiser, a minister, you know, a hard worker and all those things kind of just, you know.

translated into all of these kids, myself and my two younger brothers and my sister all have that same work ethic and mentality, like just let’s get it done, let’s try to serve people. And so that’s, yeah, that’s definitely how I started.

Brett McCollum (03:44.365)
Interesting. Yeah, we we actually ours evolved into a We were in a town that had a lot of underserved as the the kids of that town were very underserved in general and Eventually one thing leads to the other but we started taking kids in and like boys and next thing, you know We had a boys home on top of we were doing too. So at any given point growing up we had anywhere from

John Buys Houses (04:07.335)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (04:13.037)
eight or nine to the most we ever had was 15 at a time living, you know, our home. And it wasn’t state sponsored. was it was simply a, you know, different, you know, businesses in town and things like that would help sponsor different things, you know, from time to time. Our the town, the hospital in our town actually bought our house for us. You know, but yeah, that was a life man. Like, and you see different kids coming in with problems and going in

John Buys Houses (04:17.074)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (04:22.086)
Right.

John Buys Houses (04:30.801)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (04:36.295)
That’s awesome.

Brett McCollum (04:43.021)
you just at a young age just seeing all this the world like it’s looking back you know there’s some parts that I think I wish and I think a lot of PKs, passage kids, I think a lot of us have you know great memories but a lot of us have some of the like I wish I would have had more of my parents you know.

John Buys Houses (04:46.458)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (04:54.086)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (05:00.837)
Yep, they’re usually serving full time and it can definitely feel like, and it can even be true that sometimes family gets neglected because of ministry becomes kind of a priority. So it’s definitely something to watch out for.

Brett McCollum (05:13.625)
which is interesting. Well, it is. And it’s interesting because from a biblical perspective, It’s like the very thing that you’re doing is the very thing that you, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s just kind of funny. but looking back into having conversations with my dad now as he’s, you know, retired, it’s like, you don’t like you’re in it and you’re not really, you know, in. Meant well, obviously, you know, I feel like I’m, I’m.

John Buys Houses (05:21.551)
Yeah. Yeah.

John Buys Houses (05:38.722)
Yep. Well, you have to learn as you go. The way you learn things is by doing things. And so it’s not the only way to learn, but it’s definitely true for most of us that we can almost all look back at some point in our life and say, boy, I wish I would have done that a little differently. Or if I had known now or then what I know now, I might have done this out of the other. But I heard somebody say, could have, would have, should have, didn’t have.

Brett McCollum (06:00.858)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (06:08.887)
It is what it is. You learn, you live, hopefully you improve either your next step or you improve someone else’s life because of what you learn.

Brett McCollum (06:17.871)
Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, so you do that, know, how long, well, let me ask you this. You grew up that way. You moved out to Oregon. How long in what you’re in Idaho now we were talking about, how did, how did you get to Idaho?

John Buys Houses (06:32.345)
Yeah.

Yeah, so in 2000, my dad sold properties. He had actually helped kind of keep that one little church going. He pastored there for about seven years, turned it over, and then my dad kind of got this reputation of being a guy who would help churches keep the doors open. And so we would either move around a lot in Oregon or we’d travel lot. So there was always that emphasis on ministry, but my dad was always bivocational in ministry. So.

I think it was around 2000, we sold everything and he moved to Alaska. By that time I’d met the girl who was gonna be my wife and I proposed to her and I was 18 years old and she was from Idaho from church camp we met. So I moved to Alaska, worked around the clock to make as much money as I could, moved down to Idaho in 2000 and got married. So we’ve been married, my wife and I have been married 25 years now.

And we were married there, had our first kid here in Idaho. And then we moved back to Alaska to help my dad started. He started another church. We moved up there. I ran my dad’s construction company. So I, I’m like in my early twenties at that point. And I’ve got like, you know, 14, 15 guys working underneath me. You know, we’re doing housing on for the army corps of engineers at Fort Wainwright in Alaska. And, know, just like a fully engulfed and

Brett McCollum (07:54.117)
Mm-hmm.

John Buys Houses (07:57.923)
construction and managing people, just having to have these relationships on the job site that kind of led me to realize that I was built a certain way where I started realizing early on, like I always ended up being the guy that was in charge. It wasn’t what I wanted. It wasn’t what was trying to be. It just always ended up being kind of the natural position that I would go to. And then of course, really wanting to serve

God and making decisions to like just fully surrender to Jesus and whatever he wanted. I ended up going down to Florida after about four years in Alaska. My wife and I moved down now with three little babies to Florida. I went to Bible school, really wanted to learn the Bible, you know, kind of got into a little school that really focused on the Bible. then in the middle of our last year, well back up in Idaho right after we got married,

we built our first house. So we built a house that, you know, 130,000 all in, sold it when we moved to Alaska, rolled about $50,000 of equity into, no, 30,000 into another building in Alaska, sold it while we were up there, rolled that, you know, turned that 30 into 50, rolled that into another bank owned property. Because we had parents who are in construction and they were kind of understood the idea of like the old school, you know, you live in a house for two years, sell it.

Brett McCollum (09:19.195)
Sure.

John Buys Houses (09:21.409)
turn your equity, non-taxable equity into another chunk of equity. So we had done that. And by the time we got to Bible School in Florida, we had in six, seven years of being married, we had accumulated about $85,000 of equity that we put into our house in Florida when moved to Florida to go to school. Well, then 2007, 2008 came along.

And we went from having positive equity in our house and being that was like our fourth house that we had owned in seven years to negative $30,000 of equity and couldn’t give the thing away. And so we graduated from Bible school kind of with the economy kicking my butt and I’m a construction guy. all I knew. And so there was no work in Florida. I remember

Brett McCollum (09:57.243)
Mmm.

Yeah.

John Buys Houses (10:13.76)
driving around to job sites and offering to work for free for a couple of days, just if the guys would put me on. And the guys, know, the foreman on the site would be like, hey man, we don’t even know if we’re gonna be getting paid. We can’t bring anybody on. So we limped out of Florida back to Seattle where I had a friend from Bible school who his dad was buying properties that were bank owned lots in the Seattle area. He was buying these bank owned repossessed lots back from the bank at, you know, like,

30 cents on the dollar for these developed buildable lots. And they hired me to more or less manage their construction project. And so we were building spec homes in the middle of a downturn. But I remember watching this, you know, this guy do this and he was selling these houses before they were even finished. And so it kind of made me realize like there’s even in a bad economy, if you buy at the right price and if you’re in the right location,

you’ll almost always still be able to sell it. So that was, know, 2010, 2009, 2010. And we more or less, you know, just kind of survived through the recession and we had lost our house in Florida. We actually ended up having to do a short sale on that, which again, these are all concepts I learned in real time. But…

Brett McCollum (11:21.743)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (11:35.653)
Sure.

John Buys Houses (11:36.882)
You know, we sold it and, you know, thought I’ll never be a homeowner again. You know, it was kind of disgruntled about the banks. Yeah, just was like really jaded and then moved to Portland to add an invitation to start a Bible study. Working along the way, you know, renting a house and then having this landlord of this property was always stopping by and he was always checking in and just kind of like, I just got really, you know, just tired of, of like, you know, I’ve been a homeowner for

Brett McCollum (11:41.999)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (12:05.694)
you know, my own property for, you know, eight, nine years and then lost everything. And now I’m renting, which we were glad to be there, but we were also looking for opportunities to get into homeownership again. And I stumbled on a Craigslist ad, in, in Beaverton, Oregon, which is right, right about where we were, with the church ministry. And the ad was for a little, I was actually for a car for an old car that needed to be.

fixed up and it turned out that people needed to sell the house. And so that’s really where we got back into home ownership. And that’s where I started my real estate journey.

Brett McCollum (12:38.255)
in.

Dude, that’s wild. Yeah, I love that. mean, it’s a… Isn’t it funny that too, let’s like, backups for a second, you went through it very quickly and just now like going through that. But in the moment when you were going through that, like I know I’ve been through some seasons where it’s like, you don’t see the end.

There is not a quote unquote light at the end of the tunnel. We have our faith and we can say all the right things and we can just keep proclaiming these things and we keep speaking and we keep speaking. sometimes I’m doing it out of principle because I really don’t feel it. A lot of people, mean even now in today’s, in things that are going on today are going through these things that are just like, you don’t see it. It may as well be the end mentally, sometimes for a lot of us. Going through that,

John Buys Houses (13:06.223)
No.

John Buys Houses (13:28.987)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (13:32.849)
and now being on the other side of it. Obviously, everybody says hindsight’s always 20-20, you know? But in the moment, there’s no hindsight. There isn’t hindsight in the middle of something. One or two lessons maybe that you went through that you can look back on and say, God taught me this, this is something I had to walk through, and now I have this, this is something I walked away from with. Losing your house, more or less,

John Buys Houses (13:43.747)
No.

Brett McCollum (13:58.039)
starting over have $85,000 at it. mean, at a young age with a young family still, you know, and you know, yeah, and it’s a to start it back over. And now I’m renting from somebody else. And now I’m somebody like paying somebody else, you know, not my own thing. And then like the mentality, like, what’s one or two lessons that you maybe walk through, you’re like, you know, God had to teach me this.

John Buys Houses (14:02.766)
Yeah, yeah, we were doing good.

John Buys Houses (14:23.738)
Yeah. Well, for one, it was, it was a little bit of a struggle to, to kind of reconcile the fact that I was in Bible school when we left Alaska, you know, I was basically running my dad’s construction company. I was making very good money at a young age. and we had, we had a property, we bought a bank owned house up there and fixed it up. It was like on three acres, you know, right above a seven acre horse pasture. I mean, it was like the, the.

idyllic type of a place and you know, we gave that up to go to Bible school, right? So, you know, it was like we made this big sacrifice. We were in school. And so when when everything started dropping out, like I started, you know, like I don’t have the cash to make the payment on the mortgage this month. So, you know, me being kind of like, you know, just kind of like, well, OK, well, what can we do? I put it on the credit card, you know, like, OK, well, I’ll make another job up next month. You know, so.

Brett McCollum (14:54.821)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (15:20.341)
After doing that two or three times and maxing out the credit cards, still don’t have enough income, is barely making enough money. I remember one Christmas where my wife’s parents sent us a little bit of money, like was like 300 bucks. And it was like, hey, we can actually go down and buy some, you know, nice food and buy one present for each of the kids, you know? And we were in Bible school. And so there was like this really hard kind of grappling internally with like, how is it that I

made all these sacrifices and did the right thing. I’m here doing a good thing and this is happening to me. So, you know, for one, I had to work through that and I came to the conclusion at the time that, and this was kind of, I don’t know, I think God definitely gave this to me because I was too young to really know this on my own, but it occurred to me that, you know, there was all, cause I was seeing for sale signs and bank owned properties all over, right? You know, cause Florida got hit, as you know, extremely hard.

And so I was reconciling this by looking around and saying, you know what, this is happening to everybody. You know, it’s not a, I’m not alone in this. This isn’t just something that’s, you know, I’m being singled out. This is something that a lot of people are experiencing. And, know, with my mind being kind of geared toward ministry and helping people, I thought, well, how can you help people if you’ve never been through the things that they’ve been through? And so that was like a big, you know, almost like at least gave me a little bit of a sense of

Brett McCollum (16:44.101)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (16:48.609)
well, there’s at least something to be gained here because I’ll be able to understand what people are going through. know, fast forward, I never expected to be in real estate as a full-time business. But I definitely have a lot more empathy in relating to people that I help now, you know, with foreclosures and things because I have been through that myself. We came this close to foreclosure. So there’s that. The other thing is, you know,

Brett McCollum (17:08.656)
Right.

John Buys Houses (17:13.974)
When you’re, you I know I have the hindsight, like you said, of being 20, 20, but I also have the advantage of having lived long enough to been through a downturn and so through something that’s really difficult and come through it and realize, you know what, life does go on. you, you just, you know, you, you pull up your, your big boy pants, so to speak, and you just, you know, you just get her done. And I can look back now on that time and say, I didn’t know, I didn’t know, you know, half of the stuff that I know now.

And we got through that back there. know, God got us through, we got through together. It was very difficult, but you just have to live. You just have to keep on, you know, waking up every morning, get out there and, you know, and beat the streets and find hustle up some work, be creative. You know, if you start sinking into woe is me, I, you know, why is this happening to me? Which is very, very natural and actually even sometimes justifiable. At least it feels like it. But if that’s the route that you take,

It just, ends up leading to despair and massive discouragement, depression, even death. you know, you know, die of heartbreak, they die of suicide. So these are real things. And you like, you look at that alternative and it’s like, you know what? just, not going to go there. I’m going to, I’ve been through these things before I’ve seen us get through it. I know that the light isn’t there right now, but it’s there. It’s going to be there someday. If I just keep on waking up every morning and doing the thing. So.

You know, that was a big thing for me. Looking back at it, I can see I definitely learned that life does go on. It’s not going to be the same as you thought it was. It may not be what you want it to be, but it does go on. You can make it into something if you just keep on at it.

Brett McCollum (18:57.561)
Yeah, very good. Yeah, I love that. Something you had said and I was thinking it while you’re saying it’s like a lot of us in the, know, from the Christian faith, when we’re going through difficult things, you were do I’m there sacrificing doing something for you, God, and I’m giving for you. And like, like, I thought, God, you I give this up for you. I thought the return on that was that you bless me. Right.

John Buys Houses (19:14.598)
Bye.

John Buys Houses (19:23.928)
Right, yeah, we do a lot of things like that.

Brett McCollum (19:26.455)
got me of course in its natural human mind to think like that.

John Buys Houses (19:31.654)
And I think that’s actually, sorry to interrupt you, I think that’s, I’ve told people before, remember God’s the one who created us, so that is the way that we think. So I don’t even think that that’s a bad way to think about it. I think what is the issue is that we look at trouble as though that’s like a punishment or a negative, whereas God is able to take trouble and turn it into triumph. know, he has a way of, there actually is a payoff.

Brett McCollum (19:42.811)
Sure.

John Buys Houses (19:59.804)
for doing the hard things. And it’s just not the payoff that we wanted.

Brett McCollum (20:00.72)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (20:04.867)
So I was talking with somebody else recently and this was really, it comes to mind when we say this and then we do need to talk about your business here. Something else that comes to mind though is, and it’s going somewhere. basically it’s, we think that we sacrificing for blessing or we’re doing this for that, right? And I think that’s, like you said, that’s how God, but.

John Buys Houses (20:13.179)
Sure.

Brett McCollum (20:29.529)
That’s not scriptural and by that I mean God’s design for us is not to bless, yes He wants to bless us, but it’s not, He wants us to become more like Him.

John Buys Houses (20:41.615)
Yes, that’s the blessing.

Brett McCollum (20:43.791)
And that is the blessing. So that process of sanctification, what we call it, right, the theological perspective is you’re either going into, like from a seasonality standpoint, you’re either going into a valley, you’re coming out of one, sorry, you’re either going into one, going into it, you’re already in it, or you’re coming out of it. And that process is sanctification.

John Buys Houses (20:47.631)
Yeah. Yeah. To be set apart.

John Buys Houses (21:06.639)
Right.

Brett McCollum (21:10.649)
you know, and so us becoming more like Him, more like Him, that refinement, more like Him, more like Him, and that is what, like you said, that’s where the blessing ultimately is, because the things that you went through didn’t happen to you, they happened for you, so that…

John Buys Houses (21:24.986)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (21:26.005)
now looking you’re able that’s why it’s like in the moment we can’t see the force for the trees we can’t see the you know and and that’s having conversations like this one John and and talking to other people and like and and hopefully guys if you’re listening this resonates is saying hey you know i know it’s hard sometimes god knows i know that John knows like that is and having that perspective of how do we just keep you know waking up putting one foot from the other every day and knowing that we’re being refined

John Buys Houses (21:31.064)
Right.

Brett McCollum (21:55.693)
And ultimately, that is the blessing. So yeah, man, I love that. Talk to me today, business, what does it look like? What are you doing?

John Buys Houses (21:57.807)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (22:02.637)
Yeah. So let me throw one little key like tag on the end of that last statement because I think it’ll help for the next phase is I’ve talked to my wife about this. She quotes me as saying this. I don’t think that I’m the one that came up with it. I know I heard it somewhere, but I don’t know who. So God knows. But I heard somebody say this one time, if God is the problem, he can’t be the solution.

Brett McCollum (22:11.621)
Sure.

Brett McCollum (22:27.908)
Hmm.

John Buys Houses (22:27.983)
And so when you’re going through difficult times and you start looking at, well, God, why did you do this to me? Like you said, to me. Then now God starts becoming ultimately the problem in your life. Well, how are you going to go to the perceived problem for a solution? You know, so I think the blessings of God, they come in lot of different shapes and sizes. you know, so keeping, you know, we talk about keep the faith. I think a lot of times people think, you know, I’m going to stand by,

Brett McCollum (22:35.123)
huh.

John Buys Houses (22:55.436)
the death, burial and resurrection, all that stuff is good. But really, ultimately, it’s keep on believing that there is a God who loves you. And even in very difficult times and trials, He is for you. He’s working things together for your good. And if you don’t even feel it at the moment, that’s where faith comes in. Like, faith is not a feeling. Faith is just believing that God is on your side. that, I think that’s one thing I can say I’ve never lost.

because of the fact that I’ve never lost that, it’s translated into where we’re at today. So.

Brett McCollum (23:36.197)
Sure. No, yeah, I love that. And yeah, to that end, does today look like? What are you working on?

John Buys Houses (23:42.645)
Yeah, so we, know, in Oregon, Portland area for 14 years, I started off with a house that I think I mentioned 10 years ago, we, found this, this, there was this ad for an old car. We bought this house because I had this, I just watched this YouTube video of a guy saying how distress, homeowner situations can be great opportunity to help them. And, you know, I was like, okay, I get that. So I made this offer.

I had a pre-approval from a bank, found out the banks don’t, you know, loan on distressed property. Found that out a week before closing. So scrambled, had somebody step in and actually offer to pay cash if we would repay them at 10%, a family member. So that was our first time buying a house with cash. We did this whole thing, got it ready to move into, and then a lady knocked on the door, basically begged us to sell the house to her.

Brett McCollum (24:18.777)
Yeah.

John Buys Houses (24:40.523)
She’d been looking in that neighborhood and I threw out a number I thought was kind of ridiculous to get her to scare her off. And she said, sold, you know? So long story short, that 10 years ago, getting back into home ownership, that turned into a flip. And so I always tell people, I got into, I accidentally flipped the house. You we didn’t try to get into this. just, it just turned out that way. But that first flip really opened my mind to, cause after it was all said and done, the dust had settled, everyone was paid back.

We recouped our expenses. I’m sitting there looking at a check, I think it was around $60,000. And at the time, that was the equivalent of my entire, at that time I was actually working for a contractor out of Intel, which has a big footprint in the Portland area. So I’m looking at that check going, I just made my entire year’s salary in one project, and that was on accident. What would happen if I tried this on purpose?

So I really dove headlong into real estate courses, mentorships. I did everything. I’ve done tax flips, I’ve done tax liens, I’ve done Airbnb, I’ve done Airbnb arbitrage. I started flipping houses like crazy. I just went all in because I realized that real estate would be…

Even though I kind of had this bad taste in my mouth because when I experienced about real estate I had to change my mind about what it was that I was doing Because I realized there’s actually potential here to make really really good money By helping people who are in a situation that I fully understand so You know where we’re at today is you know I’ve got I’ve probably flipped or wholesaled or done some kind of creative transaction on

Brett McCollum (26:15.365)
Sure.

John Buys Houses (26:24.797)
you know, well over a hundred deals. And that’s been like kind of hit and miss. I really didn’t lean into it full time to the last three or four years because I was involved in ministry and still had a full time job. you know, I host a local meetup every month in Portland. I’m getting ready to start a local meetup every month here and in-person meetup here in the Boise area. And I am fully engulfed in real estate, real estate, real estate. It’s basically, you know,

one way or another, I’m making my income off of real estate. So that’s where we’re at today.

Brett McCollum (26:59.525)
That’s incredible. that’s like kind of to bring it a full circle moment there of like going through the things that you went through. Do you know what level of empathy you gained for the homeowner that you’re now serving? Having gone through things.

John Buys Houses (27:10.992)
Yeah, yeah, it’s really, it’s really true. I know I have a different approach to a lot of people that are in this same space because I really have been through it and I’m like, man, I know what this is like.

Brett McCollum (27:22.541)
And that’s, and not to be too cliche here, but to quote the scriptures, God takes all things and works them together for good. Could you have planned a different way maybe, but would it have been the same effect? Like, can you sit down across, you and I are sitting down at a table right now and I’m struggling going through this thing and you can actually.

John Buys Houses (27:30.213)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (27:43.399)
Empathize and care and be present with that person in the moment and do that. Can can you do that for real? You know what I mean? Like in a lot of us a Lot of it in you know real estate investors. It’s we went to YouTube University We did this took a couple courses. Maybe we got a coach this that and the other and these are this is how you do it I Don’t know your business John, but I’d be willing to bet you If you can measure the empathy to the result

John Buys Houses (27:49.957)
Yeah. Yep.

Brett McCollum (28:12.153)
like the actual care to the result, I’m really willing to bet you it’s probably at or close to 100 % of all the deals you’ve done.

John Buys Houses (28:19.546)
Yeah, I know that, you know, I can approach it by really actually looking at and saying what is truly best for these homeowners, these sellers, and offer them solutions based on not only my personal experience, but also the knowledge that I’ve gained through that experience and in my studies. I believe in mentorship, I believe in courses, you know, but ultimately personal experience is oftentimes the best teacher, you know, so.

Brett McCollum (28:41.179)
Sure.

Brett McCollum (28:48.217)
You needed the coaching and the mentorship and the things like that to learn parts of the business you didn’t have or know and strategy and stuff. But it’s the connection with the person on the other side of that table. I mean, nothing else ultimately matters. So man, I love that. Man, when we could talk on know all day, going back and forth. But if people want to connect with you in some way and reach out, what does that look like? What’s the best way for it to happen?

John Buys Houses (29:00.486)
100%.

John Buys Houses (29:15.981)
These days, probably either Facebook or Instagram. Instagram is at JohnBuy’s Houses. And I think you can find me on Facebook as the same at JohnBuy’s Houses. If you’ll just look up JohnBuy’s Houses, you’ll see me. It’s got like a little yellow background emoji face. So that’s how people usually, it’s identifiable.

Brett McCollum (29:34.863)
Very cool. Yeah. we need to make sure we will put that in the show notes. Guys, I encourage you to connect with John, reach out, follow along, all of that. And John, man, I think you’re great. I appreciate you doing this with us and spending your time.

John Buys Houses (29:38.691)
Right on.

John Buys Houses (29:48.632)
Yeah, thanks for having me on Brett. I really appreciate it. And if your audience has any questions about anything, especially if they’re out in the Western United States, I’d love to do deals with them. I’m really, really big on collaborating and doing deals together.

Brett McCollum (29:58.384)
Love it.

Yeah, very cool guys. Hit him up. That’s no joke. But for all guys, thank you for spending your time with us as well. We appreciate each of you and we’ll see each of you on the next episode. Take care everybody.