Inside Pablo Torre’s Approach: How to Successfully Keep Deals In-House

Brett McCollum (00:01.006)
Welcome back to the show guys. I’m your host Brett McCollum and I’m here today with Pablo Torre. And today we’re gonna be talking about how he keeps every deal in house. This is a really cool story guys, but before we do, at Investor Fuel, we help real estate investors, service providers, and real estate entrepreneurs to 2 to 5X their businesses to allow them to build the businesses they’ve always wanted and allow them to live the lives they’ve always dreamed of without further ado, Pablo, how are you man?

Pablo Torre (00:27.818)
Thank you for having me.

Brett McCollum (00:29.506)
Dude, I am so excited to hang out with you and do this show. actually, it was last week we actually got to get together for a little bit and got to talk to you for a while, get to know you and man, you got a great story, a great business that you operate and I’m excited to deep dive all of that. But before we do, don’t wanna put the cart before the horse. Before we do, let’s back up a little bit, give some history, some context. Who’s Pablo?

Pablo Torre (00:54.074)
Sure. So, well, I am a dad of two kids and a husband, and I’m actually from Mexico, and I moved here almost four years ago. And, you know, we moved out of Mexico for different reasons, but most of it, we try to do what we do here. So we did flip a home or two over there, and it’s just the system and the construction and everything so different that, you know, we decided to come over here.

And it was not easy. know, we came to a country where we didn’t know what we were going to do and we didn’t know nothing about, you know, flipping and all of that. And it came with some struggles coming here and, you know, having at the beginning, no credit history, no anything. It was hard. So the first six months I was just working as a construction helper, which helped because I understood how to

build or how to rehab here, which it is different than Mexico for sure. and then we were clear since the beginning, me and my wife, because we do everything together, we were clear that we wanted to flip. So it took us like six months to understand and find our first flip. And we finally were able to do our first flip. had to raise a ton of private money because we couldn’t get a Harmony loan. couldn’t get a bunch of things that nowadays it’s super easy to get for us, but at the beginning.

It was hard. So we did our first flip and luckily it was when the market was like super good. So we sold it pretty fast and we were like, Oh, this is actually a good, you know, good business. And we liked it. So we started flipping more and as a lot of people do, and then I’m guessing as a lot of people happen when the market started going down, we ended up with a lot of properties on market that we’re trying to sell that we, the prices were too high. So we couldn’t pay the harmony lender. So we

sold at a cheaper price and that got me to start learning more about real estate. And I met a couple of mentors like Justin Colby and I started looking for other strategies and I realized that you could refinance these properties. Again, it was really hard because my credit was super low because of the low history. And so I had to partner up with some people, but ended up actually being able to refinancing those properties.

Brett McCollum (03:05.742)
Mm-hmm.

Pablo Torre (03:17.156)
Some of them I kept as rentals, some of them I was able to sell on a note, owner finance. We even had two Airbnb’s at the time trying to get out of the situation. And like everybody says, things happen for you, not to you. So I actually learned a lot from that and kind of like started turning the business and started doing a little bit more rentals. And then I realized that a lot of it came from the wholesale.

Brett McCollum (03:32.93)
Mm-hmm.

Pablo Torre (03:46.872)
So we started wholesaling and long story short, by now we have a business that’s kind of like intertwined in between. So we do have a wholesale business, which is not, you know, huge wholesale business. It’s kind of local here in San Antonio. But we wholesale properties to investors to flip, but mostly to rent, right? And what we try to do is we wholesale it to our own flipping business company that we have.

And then once it’s flipped, we do the bare method in most of them, unless they’re like sub dues or something like that. And then we keep them as rentals and then we have the management company that manages that rent. And then so that way we keep the deal in house. Those are our deals, of course, but we also do the same for other investors that want to do the same and they’re out of state, know, in states that are more expensive, like California or Florida.

And also out of the country because since I’m from Mexico, I have a lot of people from Mexico that want to invest here. So what they do is we offer them this turnkey project that we learned from DJ. And what we do is we tell them exactly the same thing. They put the money and we do the whole thing. We wholesale it to them. We do the rehab for them. We rent it for them and then we manage it for them. So it actually turns like they’re in passive for them.

right? Because they don’t got to worry about the managing. They don’t got to worry about the rehab. They don’t got to worry about anything. So we try to like, you know, intertwine the whole businesses and try to do, you know, that’s, that’s what we do for other investors, but we also do it every time. So it’s kind of like, you know, whenever you’re doing those calls, like, they’re like, Oh, are you a wholesaler? I’m like, no, I’m actually an investor. And it’s true. Right. Most of the times

We end up keeping the properties, but we always try to sell them. And then every time that we put them on the market, we put them on market for sale or for rent, right? Because, you know, I’m not going to walk away from 10, 15, 20, 30, whatever it is that I can make on a flip, but if not, I can keep it as a rental. So we went from, you know, knowing nothing about real estate to knowing I’m, I mean, there’s still a lot to learn, of course, and every day you learn, but

Brett McCollum (05:49.475)
Right.

Pablo Torre (06:02.114)
Now we kind of have all of the businesses together and was kind of like one of our things that we wanted because we didn’t want to work for other people, like just being doing remodeling for a regular client. It is different. We wanted to work with investors because they think like us. So that’s what we’ve been doing till now.

Brett McCollum (06:21.966)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (06:29.368)
Dude, wow. All right, let’s back up, because there’s so much to unpack with that, and it’s really, I told you guys, is what a great business he’s running here. This is really cool. So, all right, man, we’re gonna back up a little bit, okay? It’s four years ago. You’re still in your home country, Mexico. What part of Mexico were you guys in?

Pablo Torre (06:51.076)
So we are from Mexico City, so down south.

Brett McCollum (06:53.398)
Okay. Yeah. So you’re there and you grew up there, I’m assuming.

Pablo Torre (06:58.96)
Yes, me and my wife, both grew up there and since we went to school there, we went to college there and everything.

Brett McCollum (07:07.63)
Yeah, I mean that and so that’s kind what I was thinking about. It’s like, you know, obviously you look at, you know, I hear a lot of stories of immigrants coming to the States and getting into real and there’s so much opportunity. But and maybe that’s part of the reason why, you know, you move that sort of thing. I imagine like that’s probably a difficult time and decision like to, you know, that’s home and you’re you’re leaving home maybe for the first time. Is that right?

Pablo Torre (07:33.348)
Yes, for sure. Actually, now looking back, it’s the best decision we ever made, of course, for a lot of reasons. But going back, if I think about it, it was definitely not an easy decision because at the time we did have a business. We used to build cabinets, kitchen cabinets, closets, floors. It was a big business that we had in Mexico and we had it for almost seven years.

Brett McCollum (07:55.404)
Okay.

Pablo Torre (08:01.242)
So all of our time, money, investment was in that business. So, plus of course, all of our family and everything. So making that decision to go from that to a really, I would say a really big uncertainty, right? Because we knew that what we wanted to do, but we had no idea how or how soon we were going to be able to do it. so we literally just packed and left and it was really hard, right?

Brett McCollum (08:15.617)
Uncertainty, yeah.

Pablo Torre (08:30.32)
We came here with, I don’t know, maybe $10,000. That was all we had. And as you know, I mean, that lasted a couple of weeks, right? By the time that you settle in, rent a place and, you know, get some things going, it was complicated at the beginning, but we’re glad we did it.

Brett McCollum (08:51.01)
Yeah, mean, I imagine like that’s hearing that the quote unquote origin story of, know, how you like, you know, yeah, $10,000 is a lot to some people, right? But when you’re starting from nothing and coming into a place like it’s not it’s nothing, you know, it goes so quickly. How do you have the I always like to ask this question like how do you what was your mind like what’s your mindset like at that point of

And did you have kids yet? That’s another question.

Pablo Torre (09:21.776)
Yes, yes we have because my kids are six and ten so…

Brett McCollum (09:25.506)
Yeah, so they were, yeah. So you’re not just moving to another country, you’re to another country with children and having that burden of providing for them at the same time, you know? And like, what’s the mindset like? How did you kind of, because that was, I know, like I have four kids myself. I know it’s like, man, daddy’s gotta do this thing. We gotta make this work, you know? What was your mindset like then?

Pablo Torre (09:50.18)
Yeah, exactly. So, you know, that’s why it was a really hard decision because it was like, well, we can’t just go and fail, right? I mean, worst case scenario, we come back, but, you know, it’s not easy. It’s not easy for the kids. Like you can’t change them, you know, to another country, to another language and have them, you know, learn the language and everything and then come back. So at the time it was like, you know, kind of like the 100 % the burn the boats mentality.

We literally, you know, burned the boats and, and so there was, there was no option to fail, right? At the end, like whatever it took. And I, you know, I’ve heard this a lot of times. said like in real estate, the only way to fail is to stop. So, you know, even when there was being, you know, some not that good times and we just have keep going and going and going because eventually I know that, you know, real estate will always be better. It always get better. And, you know,

If you have to keep it property for a couple of years, at the end, you’ll come up on top at the end. That mentality, been like, literally it’s all or nothing. Since the beginning, we thought it was going to be for a couple of months or years, and it’s been four years and we’re still in the same mentality because it just, business gets bigger, problems get bigger, everything gets bigger. It’s still the same mentality.

Brett McCollum (11:15.662)
It’s still hard, it just changes, Yeah, totally. So, all right, that’s really cool, man. I’m glad you could share that. All right, so you get started, now you’re starting your business out and you mentioned you were working inside of a construction company for a little while. How long were you doing that before you started doing some of your own stuff?

Pablo Torre (11:36.73)
So I worked on the construction company for six months. And it actually was not a construction company. was a friend that told me like, hey, we having this house, do you want to help me? And I was like, sure, for sure. Like I had literally nothing to do. So that’s how it started. And I did that for six months. But I was kind of like how they say, well, you have your nine to five, you.

Brett McCollum (11:40.43)
Okay.

Pablo Torre (12:01.932)
have to work on yourself. So I did used to work from nine to five on that and then get home and, you know, listen to podcasts, watch videos, do research, learn how to, you know, buy the properties because in Mexico it’s completely different. there’s, you know, there’s no MLS in Mexico. There, there’s no way to, there’s not that information and you know, lot of bad things happen because you have no idea. you know, I, I met a realtor and he was like, well,

If you give me a thousand dollars, I’ll get you a house.” Right? And of course, he ran away with the thousand dollars. So, you know, out of those 10, we were only, we had nine. And so a lot of things happened, but it was throughout those six months that I was looking and learning and trying to understand, you know, the 70 % rule and the, you know, how to find an area because remember, like we’re coming from another country, not even another city.

So I know nothing about good zip codes, bad zip codes, what an ARV is, nothing of that. So it really took me six months to find the first house.

Brett McCollum (13:06.862)
Right?

Brett McCollum (13:13.986)
Okay, so you were kind of looking even from the beginning. Very cool.

Pablo Torre (13:16.952)
Yes, like since, you know, I don’t want to say day one because, there was, like I said, it was complicated. We had to leave in Airbnb for a while. So at the beginning it was complicated, but once we settled a little bit, then yes, I started, you know, listening to podcasts and looking for all that. And like I said, I have a realtor and I went to see houses and I was like, you know, trying to buy from the MLS at market price, you know, right after COVID was almost impossible. you

Brett McCollum (13:45.346)
Yep, yep.

Pablo Torre (13:45.904)
You couldn’t find anything. So I was like, there has to be a way to find a house. I’m listening to all these gurus and all these things saying that you have to buy it 70 % less repairs and everything I find is like 80%. Right. So I have no idea what to do. And that would just get going until I found one.

Brett McCollum (14:06.082)
Yeah, keep going, can’t quit, don’t quit, right? Like you said. Yeah, so that kind of brings us to little more current, and what you’re doing right now is incredible. when we touched on it at the top of the show, introduce it this way, you have the ability, not that you do necessarily every time, but you have the ability to keep every single deal for full service in-house. Can you, I know we, like, and you touched on it in the intro as well. Let’s break it down a little bit further. how, from what I wrote down in my notes, there’s four opportunities there.

you have four different businesses that are kind of working in conjunction with each other. Break that down.

Pablo Torre (14:40.336)
Yes. Yeah. So what we do is so we have the wholesale business, which wholesale to ourselves, but it also wholesales to other people. Right. Uh, and then we have the flipping business, which flips for us and other people. Then we have the rental business, which we have a management company that manages for us and other people. But at the beginning, I was just doing that. Like I learned, you know, again, it happened for me, but I learned the bare method kind of like, you know, forced on.

Like I had to do it to get out of the situation that it was. And after I learned how to do that, then I did it purposely since the beginning. So, you know, I bought it and then I heard it and I was like, well, and I was actually even able to pull some money out. So I was like, oh, you know, this is a better method because I don’t got to find the buyer. So after, you know, a lot of masterminds and you know, all that.

I found a couple of good people and I talked to DJ Thielen at FLEVR Summit and I met him at the gym. So I met him at the gym, we started talking. He was just on Justin Covey’s podcast and I had my Science of Flipping t-shirt at the gym. So he was like, oh, do know Justin? So we started talking and I told him what I was doing.

And he gave me this idea, which is what he does, which is like, why don’t you do what you’re doing for other people? Since you’re already doing it, right? You’re wholesaling to yourself. And he was like, that’s what he does. Right. So I was like, well, that’s true, but you know, always with the butts and it’s hard and whatever. was like, where do I get the investors? So he was like, well, you can get them out of state. And we started working on it. He helped me. And, and I realized that.

You know, when you wholesale a deal to somebody else, even if you make 10,000 or 20,000 or 30,000, that’s all you make. But if you wholesale it to someone that it’s an investor out of town that needs you to do the rehab, even if you charge him, you know, if it’s a $50,000 rehab and you charge him 10, 20%, right? Which is still going to be cheaper than if he does the rehab or by himself because we have a team and we have, you know, in-house people that

Pablo Torre (17:00.43)
charges those good prices, you make, you know, five, 10,000 on the rehab also. And then once you get the tenant for them, we get like, you know, we’re not realtors, but we get them like a tenant. So we also get a cop there. And then once we manage it for them, we charge them, you know, the regular management company charges. So you keep that same client for all that time. Now, if, or when the property is, you know, cash flowing or it’s good, they’re probably going to come back and say, Hey,

get me another one, right? So that’s why we kind of like we’re doing it and to this time, I’m still doing it more than for me than for other people. So I would say from every, I don’t know, five wholesale deals that we do, I keep three, right? So most of them I’m trying to keep because I’m trying to build my rental portfolio. That’s the plan. But those other two, maybe one goes to…

a wholesaler or another investor that just wants to buy it and do his flip and be on his way. And then maybe the other one does go to someone that’s going to go through the whole process. that one client, investor will be on our VIP buyers list and be our first come once we get a good property. And they’ll be happy if the property is cash flowing. So that’s what we try to do to get repeat buyers.

Brett McCollum (18:28.814)
Yeah, and yeah, it’s so cool. You’re streamlining the process. You’re keeping everything on a plan. What is the method that you guys like to utilize in your business from a marketing perspective? How are you getting these off-market opportunities?

Pablo Torre (18:44.272)
So I’ve tried everything and I’ve heard everything, I’ve learned everything from, but what has worked for me the most has been the relationships. I’ve bought leads from every lead seller that they raise, call calling, everything. And there was a point where I was spending 10, 15, 20,000 on marketing and the deals that I was closing were from…

Brett McCollum (18:59.618)
Yeah.

Pablo Torre (19:11.716)
realtors that I made relationships in the past or that I actually bought in the past. And I was like, well, this is just making no sense. Right. I was breaking even on the wholesale business because the ones that were closing were from relationships and the ones that I had paying marketing were not closing. So right now we’re kind of like just working, I would say the network with wholesalers, with other realtors. And we do still do a lot on market.

I think that the on market is like, you know, a lot of investors are like, well, it is on market. So I don’t want it. was like, well, yeah, but if it’s 50 or a hundred thousand less than what it’s on market for, you know, that that would help. And also, you know, the people that are buying from Mexico or out of state, they don’t care if it’s on market or if it’s not on market. Right. I guarantee, right. If nothing goes wrong, which is always, you know,

It’s hard, but I guarantee them a 12 % return on their cash and cash. That is, especially for Mexico, it is a really good return. I look for those houses that are in that range, under $300,000, that cash flow that much.

Brett McCollum (20:26.606)
That’s good anywhere. Yeah.

Pablo Torre (20:37.028)
We get a little bit of everything. We work also on foreclosures. get, you know, there’s a lot of people with really low equity on their homes right now. So we look everywhere. But most of them are from that. I haven’t had luck in the past with, you know, PPL, PPC, all that stuff. I’ve tried it all and I’m not saying we never close the deal, but I found that it’s better the other way.

Brett McCollum (21:04.632)
Yeah, I love that you said that. So, as a wholesaler myself, a, know, running, like, we know that our marketing is the lifeblood of the business. You don’t have opportunities, you don’t have a business, right? You need to have deals coming in. That, I like, because so many people, when I’m talking to them privately, and they’re like, what’s the one that works? What’s the one that works? What’s the one that works? Everybody wants to know, right? Like, go into all these groups, you go on all the Facebook pages, go on all the…

The most common question you see is, what marketing are you guys doing today? Everybody asks that, that’s why I ask it, and I’m so glad you answered it that way. The best, everybody does.

Pablo Torre (21:42.384)
Yes, it’s true. I’ve asked that question a thousand times, you know, to all of my mentors, to friends that wholesale and, know, there’s some wholesalers that, you know, I’m making a lot of money, of course. And then I’ve thought to myself a bunch of times, is it the market that I’m in? Is it too competitive? Is it, you know, I don’t know what it is, but I think that it was just, I was trying to step away from the acquisitions myself. And, you know, I’m not for sure, you know, I’m not Justin Colby or a big

investor that’s known that much, but people do remember you when you do a deal with them and you actually close and there’s a smooth transaction and they do come back. So by now with all the flips that I’ve done and the rentals and not only for myself, because every time that you close a wholesale deal, the seller or the realtor or whoever brought that deal, they still consider it like you closed it. So after closing so many deals,

Definitely, I think that we’re in the relationships is where the good leads come back.

Brett McCollum (22:46.68)
Yeah, that’s perfect. Here’s my theory. Let’s see what you think.

Brett McCollum (22:52.8)
Every marketing channel right now, be it cold calling, PPC, PPL, direct mail, name it, right, has had its challenges over the years of people with like legal issues, like do not call lists, or things like that, all these things, right? And I’m not saying I don’t do them, because we do.

Pablo Torre (23:10.767)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (23:14.786)
But the best and highest performing is always and will never go away from the beginning of time until today is relationships. You can automate AI, you can do all of the things out there, you can have all, everything can go, but if you have, you cannot replicate a relationship. You cannot automate a relationship. You cannot, it’s the most powerful transaction opportunity you have is relationship.

So you’ve heard the phrase, network is your network, right? Everybody’s heard that in the real estate space, right? And I believe intentionality built on relationships, maybe it takes a little more time, albeit it does. But once you have that going and you’re consistent with your relationship capital, you’re building that relationship out, the returns can be infinite. That’s my opinion.

Pablo Torre (23:44.954)
Yes.

Brett McCollum (24:07.15)
What are your thoughts on that? Because it sounds like that’s similar to what you’re doing.

Pablo Torre (24:09.872)
Yeah, that’s exactly. this, I would say, new thing, it just happened like a month or two months ago. Like last year, all 2024, we were hard on marketing. We got to the biggest names for getting leads. again, I don’t know if it was the market that I’m in, which is San Antonio. Might be too competitive. I don’t know, but after tracking KPIs and after it

doing the effort and spending a shit ton of money on marketing, I realized that yes, you’re right. A lot of those realtors will call you, be their first call once you close with them with a property. And sometimes they’re like, hey, I’m going to go on market with this property. But if you want it, we can do this or whatever. And they’re like, well, okay, well, give me a five day option, 10 day option before you go on market.

And that way, you might don’t even hit the market. But if you do, then you have that, you don’t reach to those investors that don’t like on market deals. you can get a lot of deals from, I mean, at the end, like you were saying, since the beginning of times, whenever you want to sell a house, you reach out to a realtor. That’s most likely, 90 % of people do that.

So these relationships with those realtors, and not only realtors, because there’s people that are not realtors, but they also get a lot of deals because they are either lenders or banks or something. So yes, 100 % I’m with you. It doesn’t mean that we’re not going to continue to buy leads because maybe eventually you’ll have so many deals coming at you from realtors that you don’t need the leads. We always can make more deals.

Brett McCollum (25:52.407)
I agree.

Pablo Torre (25:57.112)
I totally agree with you. think that the most important thing is the relationships that you build.

Brett McCollum (26:03.746)
Yeah, and to that point, yeah, I would not advocate for, personally I would not advocate for not having other marketing channels, you know? My personal, so my mentors always thought pick one channel and dominate it, be the best at it before you pick something else, right? But there a lot of people listening that they want to know, like, what’s the one, what’s the one, what’s the one? And they don’t have the budget or the time, or the money rather, just the budget to consistently put X amount of dollars into their marketing every month.

I do believe if you’re consistent with your marketing every month, sure it’s expensive, but it will return over time. I firmly believe that, I’ve proven it out. But also, that’s not realistic for some people in the beginning. You know what, and if you have the time, which you either have finances, money, or you have time, right? Or some people are blessed, but in the beginning. So most people in the beginning have time. And that time, in my opinion, is best served.

going to the meetups, going to, know, building, calling these realtors, asking for, don’t just call them on the phone, hey, can I have a meeting with you? You can sit down and get to know that person, add value to them in some way, build a true relationship with them. They’re gonna trust you at some point with a deal. Don’t let them down. You you know, like you’ve done that and now you’re, over time now you’re proving that and it’s, you’re scaling out that marketing channel.

I think it’s incredible. then you’ve got the dude, what you’re doing. Like now you’ve got, you own the wholesale, you own the construction, you own the, you’ve got a rental property and you’ve got property management. That’s four opportunities on every single, like you’re the highest misuse of each deal. and then for others, they come in like Pablo. I mean, look, man, do it for me too. You know, and, it’s really just incredible what you’ve been able to achieve, man. I’m really, if nobody else has told you brother, I am proud of you for what you’ve done.

Pablo Torre (28:00.272)
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. It’s definitely not being easy. And I think that’s also an important part of it, right? It’s always, not only real estate, but entrepreneurship. It’s always a roller coaster. And it is definitely hard, right? And I don’t know about other businesses, right? But in real estate, what I’ve found is that you’re sometimes like…

cashflow poor, but you’re asset rich. And then sometimes you’re the other way around. then, you know, that you are always to whatever happens with the market, right? Like we always like, we thought last year it was going to get better when the rates were dropping down. And, know, in my perspective, they haven’t really changed that much. the same thing, you know, okay, we’re going to change the precedent. It’s going to be a lot better.

and it’s still, I mean, it’s the beginning of the year, but I still haven’t seen a big change. Like we’re on the same, right? So at the end, you have to go with the market and you can’t really do anything about that, right? So you have to work with it and it is hard on times for sure, right? And I’m always with the mentality of, you know, it happens.

for you, not to you, but sometimes you’re like, damn, why, right? Like why I just, you know, put all this and, you know, I can’t sell it. And now, you know, I’m paying the home loan or, you know, I thought there was going to be a really good deal and something happened. Now it’s not. And so it is definitely hard in all of it. And now I got to learn how to scale without being like too big, but how to manage all this for businesses, because sometimes, you know,

Brett McCollum (29:20.13)
Right. Been there and felt that, yep.

Pablo Torre (29:46.036)
one of them will suffer. So if I focus a lot on wholesale, we have a couple of deals to do, but then, you know, maybe the rehabs are not going as well as they should. Or, you know, if I focus on the rehabs, maybe we have, you know, two, three, four doors that are vacant and that hurts a lot. So I have to learn how to manage all that stuff and be able to, you know, be present in all four of them without, you know, without one of them falling off. But at the end right now,

with what we have and the people that we have, it’s going good and we can still continue to do what we’re doing, which by the way, not all of the parts of the business I love, but the part of like the rehabbing, it’s like I could rehab homes for free. Like once I’m financially independent and I don’t have to work, I will continue to flip homes because I love it, right?

Brett McCollum (30:40.725)
Enjoy it.

Pablo Torre (30:41.742)
But sometimes yes, the rentals, know, whenever something happened and the toilets or the big things like the roof fell off or the fence or the tree fell down or all of those, those are headaches, but at the end they’re all part of the, I would say the big business, has to kind of like has all those four little businesses in.

Brett McCollum (30:49.518)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (31:02.604)
Yeah, and you’re figuring it out. I love it. Man, Pablo, this has been awesome. And I know it keeps going on and on and on. If people want to reach out to you and connect or follow along the journey with you, what’s the best way for that to happen?

Pablo Torre (31:15.952)
So I think the easiest way is through Instagram. My Instagram is pk83, which is kind of like my nickname from when I was a kid. Probably changed that. But for now, that’s what it is. And I definitely, I’m there almost every day, try to post as much as I can. And that’s the easiest way for all of it.

Brett McCollum (31:19.982)
Okay.

Pablo Torre (31:43.354)
for the investments, the Trinkee projects, for even just a rehab or whatever it is, I think that’s the easiest way.

Brett McCollum (31:52.59)
Perfect. Yeah, and we’ll put that in the show notes and you guys seriously follow along. I mean if there was ever Somebody to fall follow its Pablo like they’re coming from another country to the states how he built it and it’s only been four years He’s somebody you guys need to follow so and I don’t say that lightly so problem, man. This is great, dude Thanks for being here with us. I really appreciate you hanging out with me,

Pablo Torre (32:16.648)
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. excited. I was excited to do the podcast and talk about it and be able to teach people somehow. Like I said at the beginning, I made a lot of mistakes from not knowing. So it’s always good to reach out to someone and get some questions answered before you do some mistakes for sure.

Brett McCollum (32:44.152)
Yeah, man, awesome. Well guys, this has been great. Thanks for hanging out with us today, and we hope to see you on the next one. Take care everybody.

Pablo Torre (32:51.706)
Thank you.