How Mike Mudd Flipped 2,000 Homes and Built a Construction Empire

Mike Mudd (00:00)
Tell you one thing, my first deal. It was it was in Fish Hawk over there. So Tampa, obviously, we have the center, then you have Brandon, you these little cities around. And I was buying out there in Lithia, sort of Fish Hawk area. It’s a very upcoming ⁓ area. I bought this house, it was a frame house, and this is my first deal. And all the guys were like, Hey, we need AC. It’s the summertime in in in Florida, you know, it’s hot, 100 degrees.

So I sent the AC vendor over there. I said, put a brand new AC unit in, leave some filters over there so the trades can work in in an AC condition. The next day I show up with the truck and a trailer full of all drywall and painting. I bought everything at Home Depot. I’m picking it up. This is 2010. I show up to the house, the whole entire house is burnt down to the ground, but the AC unit.

Issa Hanna (02:21)
Welcome back to another episode of the Real Estate Pros Show. I’m Issa Hanna and today I have Mike Mudd, a seasoned real estate investor and construction guy here to share his knowledge with us. Mike, welcome to the show.

Mike Mudd (02:31)
Yes, sir. Thank for having me.

Issa Hanna (02:32)
And I appreciate having you or talking. I looked up a little bit about your bio. you started in twenty ten and you flipped over two thousand homes, and that’s not even the the the end of of your experience. So ⁓ if you can kind of run down a little bit of your history for for the viewers.

Mike Mudd (02:48)
I used to be a general manager of a restaurant, and someone called me one day. His name was Lee Kearney. He’s actually the REO Kingpin of Tampa, if you look him up. And ⁓ he said, Hey, I need somebody to come down to the auction and buy homes for me. And I didn’t know what that meant. Obviously, we’re in a foreclosure market at that time. He gave me a shirt, he gave me a briefcase with cashier’s checks, and he gave me little headphones just like this. I went down to the auction, which is downtown Tampa in person, and I I’m at

I’m at this auction. And ⁓ he he trained me how to buy one to four homes a day. ⁓ I had my headset, we would get a list of foreclosures and I would bid on properties. After I bid on the property, if we won the property, I would fund the deal the next day and I would show up at the house and see if it’s occupied or unoccupied. and then if they did not want to get out and do a cash for keys deal, which obviously helps us get into the property pretty quickly.

We were into the eviction process. And that would take anywhere from one to three months, sometimes six months. And after that, change the locks. I take all the photos. We would figure out if it’s going to be a wholesale deal, a rental hold, or if it’s going to be a flip. And then it would go to different departments. And then I realized I can make more money into construction also. And I started my construction company. So we’re GC, AC, roofing, plumbing. We have all the licenses. I’m a storm guy also.

And not only was I flipping, I was doing the construction. A lot of hedge fund guys were down there. They would want me to do the trash outs, the clean outs. And yeah, I I just really picked up the ball and started to run with it. ⁓ now we’re in full time construction right now. The market’s a little, a little weird. You know, the houses are moving in the million dollar range and up. Some of the houses are stale, they’re sitting. But ⁓ we’re flipping. We’re doing hard money, we’re doing construction, anything and everything you could probably think of in Tampa Bay.

I cover down to Puna Gorda and all the way up to Spring Hill. So we do flip statewide. And right now we’re just looking for deals if it makes sense, or we’re just doing construction for other people. So we’re we’re shifting with the market nonstop. So what I know from 2010 to now, I’m still learning on the job site. So the jobs and the houses don’t they keep changing. There’s things that we’re missing, there’s things that we’re really good at. But ⁓ overall.

We keep putting money back into the business and making sure that we are profitable. And and that’s tough, you know, that’s tough at some point. So

Issa Hanna (05:11)
Definitely. But somebody with your experience that can, like you said, shift with the times. ⁓ you know, you you can and the construction, ⁓ construction guy that you guys do really, really well in our business because you guys can shift with the times. Fall back on the construction. ⁓ and you know, like you were telling me before, the way you do business is you’re a people person. ⁓ your name is Golden in Tampa. And that’s why a lot of investors love dealing with you. Another thing ⁓ you told me.

what keeps you really busy is you understand what your clients want. can you shed some light on on how you how you were able to understand what they want?

Mike Mudd (05:47)
So it’s really just being really up front, talking about the budget, being transparent. A lot of people will call us from overseas or just an in-town investor. They’re like, hey, I want to buy a lot of houses. Okay, well, what does that mean? Is it a lot of houses in what range? And we start to put these things down on paper to understand what their end goal is, ⁓ how much money they want to make, you know, and it’s always sort of a guessing game between a contractor or a flipper or somebody that’s representing them, you know.

They really don’t want you to make a lot of money sometimes, but I’m like, if we’re a team and we’re gonna be in a partnership, wouldn’t you want me to make money and you to make money? And you have your goal hit or I have my goal hit so we can continue this relationship. If the market shifts, if it if a foreclosure comes or the interest rates are up, I have to be able to make money and to represent you. And so I’m just pretty up front with them and just saying, hey, I’m in business for profit. So are you? Let’s put some guidelines down on a piece of paper.

And then I can understand what you want to do if you want to build a brand, if you want to build a rental portfolio. There’s so many different parts of the business where we can shift. But I have to get to know you, you have to get to know me. We’re gonna be in a relationship for a long time. And I think when you can start to let them know that I’m in your corner, obviously you’re gonna pay me. It it it gets a little bit easier, you know. Like if I have to drive to look at 10 properties, I wanna be compensated for my time and just being up front, being honest, telling them.

What the price is gonna be before you do the work. A lot of people will go and look at houses and they’re like, then all of a sudden they send them a bill for say they looked at six houses and they send them a bill for 600 bucks or 300. Give that fee up front, you know. Don’t send it to them at the end and then everyone sort of tiptoeing around. We don’t want to tiptoe in business. We want to just be up front. This is the fees, this is how we’re gonna make money. They want to be able to see in the future. And if you can present that picture to them, ⁓

I think that really helps out the deal. And ⁓ and then sometimes, you know, we get into flips and that aren’t good. The market changes, the interest rates are up. And sometimes the houses sit. You know, we’re not a fortune teller here. We can get the deal, we’re looking right, but the fees, the interest, and all that stuff starts to add up. And then ⁓ just explaining that up front to somebody that’s new that wants to flip. And the times have changed, the material cost has gone up, the labor has gone up.

And letting them know here’s our guideline for our labor for water heaters and things. So then we could put it together. It’s really just a big old math equation. So the more you can be transparent, the more you can just let them see your books or whatever you want to do or see the processes. But you got to have a really good process, gotta have a CRM that tracks everything. You gotta be able to answer the phone. People pay for quickness, you know. ⁓ if you don’t answer your phone and you’re always just texting back, they sometimes

Clients want to talk on the phone. They’re not good with texting. So it’s really just learning every single deal, which is takes time. You gotta be patient. And ⁓ so I got a lot of patience. ⁓ sometimes my staff doesn’t have a lot of patience with me, but I try to I try to just be the best version every day, just show up.

Issa Hanna (09:35)
Definitely, man. And you’ve built just such a crazy brand in Tampa and and your construction company’s so good. And I love how you said that. Like, you know, you don’t want people to have bad surprises in business, right? ⁓ so when you estimate, when you speculate, whether it’s it’s a real estate investment, whether it’s material, ⁓ you know how much your labor costs.

You can speculate how much material costs. Never underquote somebody. If anything, overquote them. That way if a surprise comes, it’s a good surprise and you’re saving them money. So ⁓

Mike Mudd (10:07)
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lot of people they’ll have like 10% over just that’s not enough. If you’re thinking the budget is thirty thousand, it’s probably gonna be sixty thousand or fifty thousand. So you gotta have some cash to to fall back on. And ⁓ even if the deal goes perfect and that the house sits, you still need money for those for the hard money or for the interest or for the borrowing fees. There’s a there to get in the game, you can get in the game pretty easily, but to withstand the weather is the problem.

You know, you could you could buy five houses if two of them are duds and three of them are good, you’re only making money on two on on one of them. So it is a numbers game. ⁓ and ⁓ I never leave anybody high and dry. You know, if we’re gonna win together, we win together. If we lose together, we lose together. We’re gonna keep keep getting after it. We gotta gotta be resilient in this in this market.

Issa Hanna (10:54)
Hundred percent. And and the age old fight is landlords and construction guys not trusting each other, not getting along. So when they find ⁓ each other and that that deal in in good faith, man, there’s so much money to be made. ⁓ you guys don’t understand. ⁓ I kinda wanna shift gears just a little bit. ⁓ you’ve done t two thousand properties in your career. That’s right. Every real estate guy, every construction guy is a real estate nightmare. I want to hear one of yours.

Mike Mudd (11:23)
Tell you one thing, my first deal. It was it was in Fish Hawk over there. So Tampa, obviously, we have the center, then you have Brandon, you these little cities around. And I was buying out there in Lithia, sort of Fish Hawk area. It’s a very upcoming ⁓ area. I bought this house, it was a frame house, and this is my first deal. And all the guys were like, Hey, we need AC. It’s the summertime in in in Florida, you know, it’s hot, 100 degrees.

So I sent the AC vendor over there. I said, put a brand new AC unit in, leave some filters over there so the trades can work in in an AC condition. The next day I show up with the truck and a trailer full of all drywall and painting. I bought everything at Home Depot. I’m picking it up. This is 2010. I show up to the house, the whole entire house is burnt down to the ground, but the AC unit. So I told them to obviously put the AC in, but I was gonna have an electrician go there the next day to make sure that.

It had faulty wiring. And it was all over the news. I’m sleeping. I go to bed at nine o’clock. I wake up and I go on Facebook and there’s the fire department. It had the whole entire gig. ⁓ so yeah, my first deal. ⁓ the house burnt down. The AC unit was still there a little bit, and we ended up having to knock it down and I sold it for land. ⁓ and so thank God I had insurance.

⁓ thank God I had that whole paperwork portion signed up right. ⁓ because if I didn’t, that that would have been a really bad deal. I mean, obviously it was still still a lot to take in. And I could have quit right then, but ⁓ I I I did have a good mentor. His name was Lee Kearney, and ⁓ he pointed me into other directions. And he just says, Hey, when you’re flipping these houses, you have to have very good contractors that listen.

Just because a person has his license and he has a bunch of guys and they’re a good AC company, they have to listen. And those guys that work for them have to listen. So when they hooked it up to the to the unit, and it literally said right at the bottom, of the work order, do not hook this up to the electrical. Put that in and we’ll have an electrician show up. So ⁓ that was a little tough time, a little hard pill to swallow on your first day. But yeah, that that that happened. And I could probably find a photo of that too, if you need to.

Issa Hanna (13:34)
Definitely. I mean hey who get it to our editors, I’d love to put it in the

Mike Mudd (13:37)
It was I mean, there’s been crazier deals since then. ⁓

Issa Hanna (14:20)
Yeah, we we are literally every day as real estate investors and real estate and construction people, it’s a it’s a different variable gets thrown at you every single day. ⁓ and the more knowledge you have, the more stuff you’ve seen, the the the more you know. You know, now, God forbid you have a house fire, you know the process to go about it. It’s not as big of a deal. So ⁓ definitely, definitely some some a crazy ⁓ real estate nightmare story, and I’m sure you have more.

⁓ I c I also want to segue into we were talking earlier and and I asked you about what opportunities are on the horizon for our business. You said we need to embrace AI. So can you tell our viewers why why you think we need to embrace it? I agree, but I want you to tell

Mike Mudd (15:03)
I think downtown Tampa’s just growing so fast. Every city’s growing fast. And and with the times changing, you know, we used to have advertising, dropping off donuts and doing all that stuff. AI is sort of just taking over. And if you can get with a good business or you can get with a good system and learn these new, these new tools. AI is just a tool. All these things, money’s a tool, AI is a tool, the computer, and it’s all just a lot of

Quick marketing, a lot of quick advertising. And if you can find a way to use these new tools, you can be very successful. Your business can go from 3 million to 30 million to 300 million. It’s just getting in when the obviously the tools will shift. AI is changing, Chat GPT, all the other new ones. But if you can get in and sort of take some time to learn these new, these new items, you can make a lot of money. The problem is people retired. They go out to work.

They’re hungry, they get home and then they have to be a dad or a or a mom. So I try to carve out a little bit of my schedule on a Wednesday or on a Thursday when it’s a little bit slower and learn this. I’m not a great computer person. I gotta tell you straight up. I can sell my butt off, but if I don’t know how to use these new processes with the CRM builder trend and all these other ones, high level, they’re gonna get left in the dust. And the market is just changing. Tampa, we have a new high rise going up.

Every couple months. I mean, it’s just this whole skyline has changed. I’m at Jackson’s right now on the water. They got fifty million dollar yacht or where. But to get there, I think you have to be at that next level, you know, to get where the real money is. ⁓ and most people some people don’t want to be at that level. Some people don’t want to mess with AI. They don’t want to mess with computers. They’re stuck in their ways. And that’s okay. Let them do that for them. If it works for them, it works for them. You know, my business right now is doing

Five, six million a year just on construction. I could bump that up pretty high, but I know that it’s gonna put me in a different work mode. You know, AI can get you a lot of stuff and have all these tools. You got to get ready to work to be ready for that. You know, most people they get gassed out. It’s a long term sprint. It’s a long term game. It’s not just a sprint. You can make a bunch of money and then stop, lose it. You know, what’s what’s sustainable? What’s online marketing?

Issa Hanna (17:00)
Really?

Mike Mudd (17:13)
chat GPT, I don’t care what system you want to use, find something that works for you because the market’s always going to shift. Always going to shift. It’s going to throw something at you you’ve never seen before. And to have the tools behind you, that helps you. You know, you want to be able to go to work and be be at ease, not always sort of playing the catch up game.

Issa Hanna (17:29)
Definitely, man. And and with this, you know, how fast AI is progressing. you basically got a personal assistant that can that can basically do almost anything you ask it in your pocket. So everything. ⁓ just like the internet. When when the internet came, you need to embrace this because ⁓ like Mike said, you’re gonna get left in the dust if you don’t. And if you don’t want to scale and you already have a business and you know, that’s fine. But we’re talking to the young guys that are just getting in. right.

You’re not gonna be able to do it without the AI. So I

Mike Mudd (17:58)
I was on a I was on a podcast recently. and hitting all the internet points, YouTube, ⁓ podcasts, getting yourself out there, you know, for the new guys that are that are really hungry, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, if you hit all those, you can be pretty, pretty known very fast. And it doesn’t cost a lot of money. It could be $500 in filming, send it to somebody overseas, they can do the editing. I mean, they’re doing it all. They’re and these

New companies that are trying to get their business, they’re competing. So you can find a really good company that can put you on the map. That’s what I did. You know, I’m all word of mouth right now. Obviously we we put a lot of money into advertising at some points, but ⁓ AI and all these new systems, i it’s it’s it’s game over if you really know how to how to use them. Uh-huh.

Issa Hanna (19:28)
One hundred percent. And the marketing through social media and using the AI and all that. Like like you said, you could go take it to another level. ⁓ speaking of another level, I wanna hear about some future plans. Five years down the line, I call you up, Mike. I I go to Jackson’s in Tampa. ⁓ where am I gonna see you at?

Mike Mudd (19:45)
really go out anymore. I I like to, I like to, I like to, you know, my dad already said, and nothing good happens after 10 o’clock at night. So I like to be in bed, but ⁓ things that I like to do is I like to get out, just have some food. I like to get on the water. I got jet skis and all that other stuff. That’s sort of my my playtime. As far as work, trying to sort of build the rental portfolio up again, you know, everyone wants to own rentals until it’s really time to understand what that looks like, you know.

By the time you pay the mortgage, you pay the taxes, the insurance, the tenant, all that stuff. It makes sense at a larger deal, I think, sometimes. Or if you want to have one or two rentals and pay off the house, that’s great. But the guys that are sort of where I’m gonna go, I’m waiting for a little bit of a correction. And then I’m gonna try to purchase some properties in areas that I know that are coming up. ⁓ Newport Richie, Spring Hill, ⁓ Clearwater, you know, those areas you can still buy houses out there for a hundred grand.

You know, that that’s yeah, they’re smaller homes, but they need to be updated, all the main trades. So I’m gonna try to really rebuild this rental portfolio up that I did have. We had about five hundred and fifty homes, which we sold to a big hedge fund. American homes for rent, offer pad, all them. We’ll buy them. ⁓ so I’m trying to sort of make this next little run, have not all my eggs in one basket, and then be able to sort of just cruise. You know, I’m forty-one now. By the time I’m fifty, I think I should

Should be in a much better spot. You know, you learn. ⁓ you make a lot of money and it’s what you’re doing with that cash to put it back, you know, you gotta save it for a rainy day. So rentals, I’ll still be doing a lot of flips, a lot of construction. I stay in construction, tons of money in that. So I won’t be getting out of that. I know that. So, and ⁓ maybe some new builds. I built about twelve houses recently in the last year and but

That’s just a longer play. It’s just a little bit sh a little bit different of a game. So new builds, a little bit of rentals, a lot of construction. I like construction.

Issa Hanna (21:38)
Definitely.

Definitely. And and you’re talking like a guy who’s been in the game a while and thinking now of the long term with the rentals, you know. Then you have rentals.

Mike Mudd (21:50)
⁓ since 2010, I spoke to my accountant. I think we did 198 million since 2010. And that was not on the rental. That was not on the on the flipping side. That’s just construction. So 200 million in construction for me not really knowing what I was doing is a pretty good gig. The flipping side, I I I haven’t even asked them those numbers, you know. ⁓ now I was flipping for a lot of guys, a lot of hedge fund guys. They all call me because they know I have the men. You know, I still have 120 guys.

And my guys get monitored. We’re giving good quality. We’re giving good prices. ⁓ so ⁓ you really gotta be on your game out here because you could definitely lose your ass, I’ll tell that.

Issa Hanna (22:29)
A hundred percent. A a big job or or something like that, it’s it’s game over. So ⁓ you definitely have to be, like you said, on your game. I also wanted to ask you, I wanted to get a little bit of advice for our new guys, right? New guys that are just starting out that that are struggling to establish business relationships, struggling to grow that network. what would you tell them? What would be the first step for them?

Mike Mudd (22:55)
first step would be if you my company is Mike Mudd Management, so I’m sort of the face. If you want to be the face of that, plan on being out there and drumming up business. People want to see Mike Mudd. You know, they want to see me. ⁓ so putting some things down on paper, I always put pen to paper. I never put it in my notes. Something about just having it in my car or having it on my desk helps me track my task, being very good with.

Scheduled activities, using a calendar, just learning the basics. You gotta just learn the basics. And ⁓ I’m not a professional salesman, but I listen to the issues that they’re having. When someone calls me, I just left Bayshore, it’s a $2.3 million house. I say, What am I here for? She’s like, You’re gonna here for a paint job. I’m gonna sell the house. I said, Okay. And I say, Well, you know, what owns someone here for? And she’s like, Well, I really wanna do this, this, and this. And I’m sort of just a problem solver.

If you can solve someone’s problem pretty quickly, it early in the game, you can make a lot of money very fast. So I would say organization, sleep, nutrition, health, keeping it honest, ⁓ and getting out there. You gotta drum up the streets. When I’m slow, I know that I gotta get back in the car and I gotta do some FaceTime. And I’ve been doing it for 16 years, you know, and I get tired, you know. So ⁓

When I was doing in 2010, I could run seven days a week for three years straight. But you know, now I got a family and things like that. So just sort of see what type of quality of life you want. But if you’re honest and on time, you’ll beat anybody and you can answer your phone. Honest and on time and answer your phone. I swear to God, you have pressure. So for the new guys, that’s the that’s the basis. Honest on time and answer your phone. Those are my three things I’ll tell you.

Issa Hanna (24:34)
Three simple things that that you guys will be surprised a lot of people don’t do and it will make you successful. Me and Mike were talking. I said his name is Golden in Tampa. ⁓ that’s why. That’s exactly why. So

Mike Mudd (24:47)
And I’ve been on a lot of deals too where I will find people deals or I will get people money for lending. And if that person defaults on the deal, I end up making that deal right. If I introduce you to a lender and you borrow a hundred grand and you default on that, I’m gonna make that right. And that’s why my name probably is really good, you know, because you know, we work it out, you know. And that was my fault for.

Introducing somebody who wasn’t really qualified for that. They should have done their own due diligence. But I try to make it right in the end. You know, if I gotta pay some of the money back or we or you want me to pay it all back, I’ll work it out. We’ll be on a payment plan. But doing the right thing. If you can do the right thing in business, you’re gonna win against the guy that’s doing it shady every time.

Issa Hanna (25:27)
Exactly. Nobody wants to pay a hundred grand or something for somebody else’s mistake, but ⁓ you you have that old school mentality. You’re vouching for ⁓ it’s like the movies, you know, hey, I vouched for you, better not mess this guy up, you know. So

Mike Mudd (25:40)
And and that happens, you know, people get in jams, they get sick and stuff like that. So I try to understand each deal. But it’s happened to me about three or four times. Now people ask me for loans, I say, This is the guy, but I can’t make that right all the time, you know. Eventually I gotta keep the money in my pocket.

Issa Hanna (25:55)
Yeah, right.

Mike Mudd (25:57)
So yeah, there’s a there’s ⁓

a lot of issues on the lending side. So you’ll see that people get into foreclosures and you know, if they have that if they have that overhead on them or you put down the deposit on the house and then they put money into it, the lender is gonna be responsible for sort of taking over the loan if it’s defaulted on. But ⁓ you know, personal loans, those are tough because people will get into flipping and they run out of money. They run out of money pretty quickly. So

Issa Hanna (26:23)
Especially if you’re not speculating right, if you’re not estimating high, you’re gonna get that bad surprise.

Mike Mudd (26:27)
That happens all the time, almost on every deal. Something is Yeah, we’re not we’re not Superman. We can’t see through the walls here. So people are like, Mike, go get me a bid on this house. I’m gonna buy it for 260 and I wanna sell it for 400. I want to put 25k into it. I’m like, first thing you do, you get an inspection report. Inspection report’s gonna give you all the key details to the four main trays. And then we can talk about kitchen cabinets and paint colors. Spection reports, $300. If you don’t want to buy a spec

Issa Hanna (26:30)
Also every day.

Mike Mudd (26:55)
Get an inspection report on house, unless you already know that it needs everything. If you’re just an investor like we were, that would just do all the main trades, because I don’t want it to come to I don’t want the house to come to inspection for the n for the new person to buy it, and then all these things come up. So it it it’s it’s one of those things where we got to be on our A game for the resale, not only for us making money, we gotta get it off our books and we wanna make sure that we’re giving a good product.

To that client and to that person. We wanna make sure the house is safe, secure, there’s no mold, you know, nothing going on. We don’t wanna do shoddy work too.

Issa Hanna (27:31)
Hundred percent. I mean I can’t tell you how many ⁓ flips I’ve walked into with with my own clients and the house will look beautiful cosmetically, but you look up at the roof and the roof’s a year old a year away from being gone. The furnace is done, you know. ⁓ so I I love that you say that because when you are flipping a house, if you d do take care of the mechanicals, the roof, the windows, that will go such a long way, ⁓ in flipping.

You’ll sell it a lot faster and you won’t have issues on inspection. Yeah.

Mike Mudd (28:01)
And people

are like, hey, the roof’s close to being done. Okay, well then pull it off on the roof. We can change out a roof in three days. That’s not a problem. Exactly. But the internal bones, the electrical, the plumbing, and then the HVAC, you don’t want to start ripping out drywall when the house is staged. And that happens, you know. Codes are changing, permits are changing, ⁓ inspectors are are getting tougher. You know, the market, everyone wants to flip. So you’re against the handyman special guy that’s doing it sort of

sideways and then you’re a company that just does it right, you wanna build that name. Mm-hmm. You wanna build the name. So

Issa Hanna (28:35)
Definitely. Well, a lot of our investor fuel guys watch my podcast. ⁓ they they like to get different ideas. ⁓ and we have some really, really big investors here. So if they wanted to get a hold of you, Mike, ⁓ and maybe start flipping in Tampa, where could they get a hold of you at?

Mike Mudd (28:53)
Online, I have a website, Mike Mudmanagement MM dot com. ⁓ I have Instagram, I’m all on Facebook. You’ll see me advertising, Facebook ads, and all that. And most people, I mean, you can just look me up, look up Mike Mudd. I mean, if I could drop my phone number, I will or however you want to do it. I’m not sure if you’re allowed to, but

Issa Hanna (29:10)
Yeah, yeah. If you want to.

Mike Mudd (29:12)
813-447-1721. That’s my direct number. You just call me, we’ll jump on a phone, call and ⁓ I’ll hear what you gotta do, you know, and then I’ll be able to either create a team or ⁓ just use my own team, you know, which we’re pretty skilled at at that already. But yeah, I’m I’m all over the internet, IG. We’re posting videos, we’re posting stories of current jobs every single day. You’ll see our guys in real time on online. So mikemuddm.com

Is the website. ⁓ Mike Mudd Management is the Instagram. Mike Mudd Management is the Facebook. So yeah. And I’m Mike Mudd So thank you for that.

Issa Hanna (29:49)
Mike Mudd has the golden name in Tampa. So to to our guys watching this, to people at home that are not part of Investor Fuel, you guys thinking about Tampa? Talk to Mike Mudd. He’s accessible, he’s an honest, hardworking guy and knows the game inside and out.

Mike Mudd (30:05)
Thank you so much. Thank you for saying that.

Issa Hanna (30:06)
Man, Mike, thank you so much for coming on the show. I’m all out of time for today. ⁓ but I I would love to get you back on one of these days and check your progress here in a few years.

Mike Mudd (30:16)
Sure. Yeah, you can definitely come back. I appreciate you guys inviting me. And ⁓ it’s been a really cool experience. Thank you for that. I’m really blessed.

Issa Hanna (30:24)
Definitely, man. I super enjoyed our conversation.

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