How I Turned Bankruptcy into an 8-Figure Investment Success Story

Brett McCollum (00:00.878)
Alright guys, welcome back to the show. I am your host Brett McCollum and I am here today with Eric Mabie. And today we’re gonna be talking about how we went from bankruptcy to a full portfolio. Guys, you’re not gonna miss this one, but before we do, investor food. We help real estate investors, service providers, and real estate entrepreneurs to 2 to 5X their businesses to allow them to build the business that they’ve always wanted and to live the lives they’ve always dreamed of. Without further ado, Eric, how are you, man?

Eric Mabie (00:27.406)
Good buddy, thanks for having me on your show.

Brett McCollum (00:29.484)
Yeah, man, I’m excited to be here with you man. Like definitely cool catching up getting to know you a bit before the show here I’m genuinely I people get tired of me saying this Eric but I am genuinely excited to talk with you man and Go deep on some stuff here. But before we do before we get into all the things Let’s give some background some history catches up to speed who’s Eric Mabie?

Eric Mabie (00:49.193)
Sure. what I feel I was born to do on this earth in this lifetime is I’ve been a holistic health coach since 1996. And I literally started studying and writing my own programs in 1990. At around 11, 12 years old, I started literally studying and writing my own programs. By the time I was in high school, people started asking me to design programs for them. And then within one year,

Within the same year that I graduated high school, I started getting paid for that. Fast forward just a couple years, I had a pretty decent health coaching practice, but the way that a lot of people worked, especially until my book was full, was I saw clients in the morning, I saw clients after work. And so there I was, 19, 20 years old with like six, seven, eight hours in the middle of the day to kill.

Brett McCollum (01:36.526)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (01:44.568)
And someone gave me, as you referenced, the Purple Bible, Rich Dad Poor Dad. And that was the year probably 1999 because I bought my first rental property in 2000 at 20 or 21 years of age. And so that book changed the way that I saw money. It changed the way that I saw wealth. And so I began my journey in real estate, like I said, with one rental. And then I started flipping homes.

Brett McCollum (01:48.896)
That’s it.

Eric Mabie (02:14.759)
And that went okay. And again, now we’re going into 2003, four, five. And then by the time I got into the 2005 era, the Florida real estate market and probably the economy as a whole was just exploding. So I was making so much money that I couldn’t possibly at my age see how could this go wrong? And I over leveraged on the flips. I got caught holding the bag.

Brett McCollum (02:39.64)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (02:44.614)
And by 2013, I had to file for bankruptcy. At this time, we can add to the fact that I now had two children and lots and lots and lots of responsibilities. So 2013, file bankruptcy, learned a lot in the process. And I knew that there was a better way. I just didn’t know what that way was. So I started seeking mentors who were at the 100 million

Brett McCollum (02:48.27)
Hmm.

Eric Mabie (03:14.437)
plus level of real estate develop, they were in the developer level of hotels, casinos, like big, big, players. And I’m like, what do I need to do? And so they started advising me on books to read, things to learn, and basically gave me all the things I needed to study to learn how to underwrite risk and cash flow. And that was it. And now,

Brett McCollum (03:32.706)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (03:43.951)
The get rich quick mentality of my early mid twenties was gone. And I realized that I needed to put my big boy pants on and learn how to be a patient seasoned investor in real estate and not base anything on emotion. It is simply math. I use as little speculation as possible and it’s mostly just the patience and the diligence

of the underwriting process that I go about. And so with that knowledge, after 2013, I was able to, of course, we all know you can buy real estate without credit. So I started getting, know, borrowing hard money, going back into the game and saw the opportunity was there. And from 2014 to 2020, I was able to build a eight figure real estate portfolio for myself.

in a matter of about six years. All while working here apart. So that’s part time. Just as a point of reference, I see about 50 clients a week at my clinic. So all of that was working, you know, 10 to 12 hours a week at most. But again, I started studying and learning many years. It’s a game. It’s a patience. You got to invest the time to learn and grow.

and then strike when you can strike. And then as we all know, with the interest rates and the escalating inflation prices, the last two years, let me back up one little bit. And then my clients at my health coaching practice are all very affluent business owners and they saw like my lifestyle change substantially overnight. And they’re like, how in the hell are you doing what you’re doing?

Brett McCollum (05:41.112)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (05:41.216)
and they started giving me their money to invest for them. So I became a syndicate for my clients. And so I started either partnering with them or just doing the deal 100 % for them and just taking a fee. So I started an advisory firm after my portfolio basically settled into where, okay, I’ve done substantial amount of work, I need to for myself, now let’s go help other people. So that’s where I started the advisory company. And then the last two years,

I’ve been just patience looking, bought an apartment building multifamily last year on Valentine’s Day. And then just hammering away at stacking cash until there’s another opportunity. I’ve underwritten a half a dozen properties or so and just can’t make them go because the pro forma means anything right now to me. So if it doesn’t perform today,

Brett McCollum (06:35.534)
You’ve learned.

Eric Mabie (06:40.831)
I’m not going to buy something at a pro forma price tomorrow because the debt’s too expensive. And we in all fairness, everything we’ve done in the last year has been cash anyway. that’s it, man. So right now it’s just keep learning, be patient, keep looking at stuff, stay up to date on the market, the pulse of the market that I buy in and just keep conversations going. I love this. I love meeting people like yourself that are

Brett McCollum (06:44.088)
Got it. That’s really good.

Eric Mabie (07:08.576)
you know, making waves in the game, because we can never ever know enough people or enough information.

Brett McCollum (07:14.678)
Yeah. Well, that’s the show guys. Let’s stop it here. I’m kidding. Okay. Okay. No, man. We have a lot to unpack. Let’s do this. Let’s try to back up a little bit. Cause I think there’s so many points that you made throughout that that really we could have just, I want to let you flow through that a little bit. Okay. But man, let, let’s go rewind back. You mentioned that 11 and 12 years old, you’re creating programs and doing things. So mentally,

Eric Mabie (07:17.446)
Alright, till later.

Brett McCollum (07:43.562)
At that, my perspective for me, my oldest is 11 years old. Okay. And I’m trying to picture him like doing that and that’s not his personality. Okay. So what was that like, you know, cause I mean that didn’t quit, you know, cause obviously at a young age you started, you know, buying real estate even as a, know, tween ager, you know, and then coming into the teenage years, did it just get stronger and develop more for you? Or like, what was that like back then?

Eric Mabie (07:53.216)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (08:13.038)
If you can remember.

Eric Mabie (08:13.331)
Yeah, it’s interesting. always been, as you and I talked, I have two kids, have four kids, God bless you. There’s always that thing of nature and nurture. And there’s two components of my way of being. Part of it is the nature of who I was. It’s just I’ve always been focused on improving on anything. It doesn’t matter.

Brett McCollum (08:38.68)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (08:42.172)
I was introduced to spelling classes and I was like, all right, well, let’s see. So I started reading the encyclopedia or encyclopedia, the dictionary, just to see if I could figure out how many words I could spell, just the game. And then when I started wrestling in high school and you learn how to endure discomfort at a pretty high level, now you’re very comfortable being uncomfortable.

And the combination of that just general curiosity to learn and okay to be really, really uncomfortable for a long period of time. I’m never afraid to fail. I’ve lost millions of dollars. As you know, I went bankrupt. I’ve started multiple companies. Some of them were great. Some of them flopped and none of it really means anything. It’s all just exploring an interest, learning about it. And then

When that chapter of my life is over, it’s over and that’s okay.

Brett McCollum (09:43.566)
Yeah, that’s good. So, all right, so now you’re, let’s say 18, 19, whatever it was, you read the Purple Bible as we said, Rich Dead Poor Dad guys, if you’re not sure what I mean by that again. Literally, I feel like it’s like, ask every real estate investor where they got their start. It’s one of a couple things, and it’s usually Rich Dead Poor Dad.

Brett McCollum (10:10.69)
Do you remember what it was like buying your first property?

Brett McCollum (10:15.97)
That’s been a long time ago and probably hundreds of deals.

Eric Mabie (10:18.276)
Yeah. I actually remember my second property because my second property is when I learned

the tax law that your primary residence, you live in it for two years and then can sell it before the fifth and it’s a tax free game. That’s the tax gift in the American IRS code is the homestead two year, you know, that whole thing. And so my next property, I had learned that and I’m like, my God, I’m moving into this one. I rented a room out to a friend and I’m like two years.

Brett McCollum (10:32.29)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (10:58.011)
stacking cash, I’m going to buy my next home, live in that for two years. I got to do that game three times and literally just paid, got my rent paid for by my roommate, watched that sucker appreciate, rented it for three years after I moved out and sold it for a tax-free profit. It was insane. And at the age when you don’t have kids or a wife and moving is easy, it was a dream. So

Knowing that that was my long-term plan, when I bought my second house, it was at a condo. I was like, charged with adrenaline. I’m like, man, because like learning and putting your learning in the actual play and seeing it work is like, it’s a dream come true. So that one has a lot more emotional juice behind it.

Brett McCollum (11:36.77)
This is it.

Brett McCollum (11:51.182)
Yeah, well the reason I had asked that is there’s typically two different, and I knew what you were gonna, I think I knew what you were gonna say anyway is, but there’s typically two ideas, like the first one’s their first one, you’re still scared to do it, but like, I’m gonna try it, you know, like, gosh, what happens if I commit to this, know, 100, 200 thousand dollars, whatever it is, amount of money, then it doesn’t work, like, you’re scared, or it’s a, we’re doing it, you know, and it’s no matter what, you know, kind of thing.

Eric Mabie (11:56.634)
Thank

Eric Mabie (12:04.362)
huh.

Brett McCollum (12:20.654)
I think it’s the classic nature of an entrepreneur to be, we’re gonna take the bull by the horns and we’re gonna do it, you know? Yeah, well that kind of leads us into kind of moving forward, you start flipping a bunch of houses and doing all that.

Eric Mabie (12:26.264)
Yeah

Brett McCollum (12:35.566)
I think I liken in my studying of markets to a lot of what happened when rates dropped down here in Florida anyway. I can’t speak across the board. We’re both in Florida. We just found out guys that we’re not too far from each other, about two hours away. So we’re gonna be best friends before, doesn’t even know it, but we are gonna be best friends. But I think when rates went down to like, you know, that 3 % quote unquote level, right?

Eric Mabie (12:47.831)
Yeah, you’re not. Yeah.

You

Brett McCollum (13:03.896)
I think a lot of us here started buying, buying, buying, buying, buying, buying, buying, I mean it’s free money more or less, you know, it’s like, my gosh, you’re gonna give me this money? Of course I’m gonna do this and flip a lot more houses and take on us, and then that was happening a lot here, you know, and that seems to be what from my, you went through it personally, of what seems to be very similar, maybe not quite that 3 % rate, but still like volume is still transacting like that in that five, six, maybe early 2007.

Eric Mabie (13:22.998)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (13:33.886)
range. Is that kind of, are they, not too dissimilar, right?

Eric Mabie (13:37.911)
The interest rate thing is post recession. was the inflated artificial market was what caused the recession. So what happened with us is that it wasn’t that the interest rates were good. It’s that the appreciation was so fast that you never ever had to make a mortgage payment because you had the property sold to the next buyer for 50 to 100K more than you paid for it before you even had to make a mortgage payment.

Brett McCollum (13:47.694)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (13:55.628)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (14:07.714)
Yeah, yeah, it was like a cheat code. we were saying, dude, I mean, we had stuff here that was like, couldn’t even put the sign in the ground and it was sold. Yeah. And I hear a lot of people like it felt a lot like that different, but like there’s some similar like the way that the market like the my gosh, I mean, you think about what happened with, you know, the inflation rate, not inflation. Let me rephrase that. My personal home doubled in value in four years.

Eric Mabie (14:14.71)
Correct. Yeah.

Eric Mabie (14:20.864)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eric Mabie (14:33.952)
Yep. Correct. And we have the great privilege of being in the freest state in the world through COVID, which is what did that. So not putting the stake in the ground and still getting the sale, that was the COVID rush era. So rates were still low. The difference in what was happening that we were getting the same escalation of price, but the conditions were different. Everything pre-recession was all leveraged money.

And everything COVID rush was cash. It was all heavy, heavy, heavy. A lot of them, because we were the investors outbidding all of the homeowners. We were given 20K over asking price, paying cash. Because we knew it could. Because then we would just refinance out at 3%.

Brett McCollum (15:13.079)
Right.

Brett McCollum (15:18.19)
It’s gonna be good. Yeah.

Brett McCollum (15:24.59)
Yep. Well, let’s watch this correlation too. Cause like, not, don’t think a lot of people are talking about it now. And I think they will in 10 years, by the way. Right. Um, whereas the way it was the great recession and all right, you know, it was just this big, like, I don’t think we want to scream that from the rooftops as much today as we did back then. What’s interesting is, uh, roughly here in Gainesville anyway, Tampa too, you know, got hit pretty good recently. Call it end of.

Eric Mabie (15:42.759)
You

Brett McCollum (15:55.138)
I don’t know for me, it a little more insulated even than Tampa. but third quarter of 2023, things went weird and we had properties that would list in like, you remember not like not even a year before that few months before that even, mean, literally a few months before that you couldn’t get, you could not get a for sale sign in the ground fast enough and still selling immediately. Rates hadn’t quite done what they were doing yet.

Eric Mabie (16:01.867)
yeah.

Eric Mabie (16:19.091)
Yep.

Brett McCollum (16:24.11)
So there was threats, but nothing really happened. And we kept meeting and what’s Powell gonna do and blah, blah, blah. All these things are happening. And then it felt like overnight rates went from four, three and a half, four to seven, seven and a half, eight. And so we had properties sit for seven, eight, nine months without offers on them.

Eric Mabie (16:44.883)
Yeah, which for a quick history lesson, because I did, I looked at this actually in the 2014-2015 area because I had a couple houses on adjustable rates. So I looked at historical interest rate escalation and even though they are at 15 % and 18 % in the 80s or whenever that was, the escalation of rate had never gone up that high that fast in the history of interest rates period.

Brett McCollum (17:09.294)
That’s right.

Eric Mabie (17:15.526)
So there is no underwriting protection you can plan for if it has never happened in the history of interest rates.

Brett McCollum (17:23.032)
That’s the scary part about real estate, right? It’s like you can plan and still, but that’s why it’s a risk at the end of the day. Now, that being said, I wanna kinda go back into that. All right, fast forward, you’ve left me all these homes and then you’re now over leveraged. And now this, we talked before, show a little bit on that, like what happened there?

Eric Mabie (17:43.493)
Yeah. So what happens in flipping, you’ve got your leverage, but so flipping is gambling because you need the market to do something in your favor. It’s like if I’m at the roulette table and they spin that sucker and I need it to land on black. Well, I need the condition to make me money. I mean, we all know the expression that you make money in real estate when you buy the deal. And so

I needed to make my money on the flip and that is not investing, that’s gambling. And so what happened is I was over leveraged. Nothing could sell for what I had gone to contract on it for. So I was buying new construction. I was doing regular flips. So, you know, let’s say one of the new construction properties and I had dozens because I don’t, I do my best to scale everything.

So I started with one, then I did two at a time and three at a time, and then I was under contract at the end. I was under contract on 12 new construction properties. I had little down payments on all of them. They don’t allow that anymore. But then when the mortgage came, it $300,000 mortgage on all of them, but the home was worth $180,000. So now I got to try to rent it. And again, the difference of hindsight is that I tried to preserve my credit.

Brett McCollum (18:44.579)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (19:08.141)
and I ended up bleeding out and destroying my credit anyways, I should have just filed bankruptcy and kept all my cash. Because I had made almost a million dollars, literally. I was one deal away from being a millionaire at 27 years old, liquid millionaire at 27 years old, and I tried to carry the debt and I ended up bleeding out anyways and filed for bankruptcy and ruined my credit anyways.

Brett McCollum (19:15.214)
Hmm.

Eric Mabie (19:35.535)
So that’s really what happens. got whole I got stuck holding the bag and and no rent could cover the mortgage at that time. So I just bled out.

Brett McCollum (19:47.134)
Mm-hmm. You just played out, yeah. And you mentioned, I don’t know if you said it pre-show or during the intro there, you had kids at the time, yeah?

Eric Mabie (19:55.822)
So my first son was born in 2010 and then my second son was born in 2014. so yeah, so like, yeah.

Brett McCollum (19:58.722)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (20:02.594)
Yeah, so as a dad, how does that, what does that look like?

Eric Mabie (20:09.068)
Yeah, so that was the hardest time of my life, bar none. My wife was, at the time, was a stay-at-home mom. I worked in my wellness company. was working a hundred, you know, I got here at 4.50 a.m. I worked till 8, 9 p.m. I saw as many clients as I could to just try. Again, that’s why I love real estate. You can’t make enough money working.

Brett McCollum (20:15.01)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (20:37.533)
that real estate can produce in wealth. Real estate can produce so much wealth so fast or the inverse, right? And so it was, I call it the dark ages of my life because, you know, was sleeping four to six hours a night if I was lucky, I was just out of my mind. And what we said earlier before the show was,

Brett McCollum (20:40.12)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (21:06.741)
through the hardship, had to learn how to find peace within myself amidst the storm. And so that’s when I really started doing a lot of personal development, soul searching and learning how to really be okay, not being okay. And so who I became as a human being through that, I don’t…

Brett McCollum (21:12.728)
Hmm.

Brett McCollum (21:26.872)
Yeah.

Eric Mabie (21:33.962)
I don’t regret any of it. I wouldn’t change any of it. I wouldn’t take any of it back because each one’s a step to the next best version of you. And sometimes the steps are really big and they take a really long time.

Brett McCollum (21:43.138)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (21:48.012)
Yeah, I was going to say how long do you think that process was for you of like, you know, navigating and adjusting and learning and grow like, cause you know, it’s not, it’s never a, all right, I did it now on next day. I’m it’s all good. Yeah. How long was.

Eric Mabie (21:53.313)
Yeah.

Eric Mabie (22:00.553)
Yeah. So, I mean, there’s multiple personal aspects that were the absolute dark ages were probably.

Eric Mabie (22:15.189)
four years to five years long. But the bleed out was seven years. So like some of these timelines overlap. Like I bled out for seven years, then I was bankrupt, still in the dark ages, you know, coming out. But then I had to actually lie to my wife to go back. But once I figured it out, I knew how to make money again. I had to go borrow money from a family member to do my first deal again.

And I had my wife didn’t want me to do that. And I was like, I know. So I went behind her back at the time. I went and did the deal, got our first check and she’s like, where’d this money come from? And I’m like, you know, that deal you said I shouldn’t do. I’m like, I did it and it worked and we’re going to cash flow. was 200 a month at the time. That was our first deal back in the game. It’s 200 a month positive cash flow. And just as a point of reference, real estate’s about time. So that was

Let’s say 2014, 2015. So here we are 10 years later, that same house now has 2,000 a month positive cash flow.

Brett McCollum (23:23.17)
Wow, wow, and you still have it. Yeah, yeah, that’s the thing. I think people don’t think a lot about, and I think with a lot of your practice, you’ll recognize this and what you do with some of life coach stuff is.

Eric Mabie (23:25.866)
I

Brett McCollum (23:41.184)
It’s just a season is what we tell ourselves sometimes. And it is in the macro aspect. It is just a season. Sometimes they’re four and five years long.

Eric Mabie (23:51.376)
Exactly. yeah?

Brett McCollum (23:53.314)
Like, and we want to get through it faster. Nobody wants to live in the dark ages forever, right? And it must have felt like at some point, like this is never going to change. Did you ever walk through any of those battles where you’re like, this is never going to change?

Eric Mabie (23:57.48)
Yeah, yep.

Eric Mabie (24:05.324)
No, I’m not wired to say never. I never say never. I never give up, ever, ever, ever. I’ll close a chapter, but it’s not because of quitting. It’s because the chapter is over in my life. But no, I don’t. That’s not it.

Brett McCollum (24:07.758)
Love that.

Brett McCollum (24:17.198)
Love that.

Brett McCollum (24:21.506)
How do you stay resilient in that, that’s perfect segue. That’s what I was gonna, I’m glad you said it just like that. How do you stay resilient in the darkest moments of your life? You’ve got a wife, two kids, bankruptcy going on. It’s the worst, you know. How do you stay resilient? Hmm.

Eric Mabie (24:30.663)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Reading and learning. Because there are people throughout history who have written books or have books written about them. Man’s Search for Meaning is one of the most famous. Okay. It’s a Holocaust survivor book. My dark age ain’t shit compared to his dark age. I’m okay in my suburban home.

in Florida, all right, I’m not Auschwitz. So I learn, I read, I learn from people who are either way above me or have suffered way more than me. And I gain inspiration of their story and their journey. And if he can survive Auschwitz and then heal himself internally and then help heal other survivors, I got this, I can do this.

Brett McCollum (25:01.666)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (25:26.84)
Mm-hmm.

Eric Mabie (25:27.685)
So I look, always, I’m a coach, I’ve been a coach my whole life. I hire coaches in everything I wanna do. I either hire coaches or I buy books. Because someone else has already done what it is that I need to do next.

Brett McCollum (25:40.258)
Yeah, that’s facts. There’s nothing new under the book. And for you in that aspect of like going through that, like, do we think other people haven’t been there and done what you’ve, like, yeah, that’s really great. And I love that outlook of the resilient mind, you know, because it is so easy to, I made it and lost it to then go, to then the next thing in your head of, well, I lost it. Am I not, I’m not good enough to have this? Because I lost.

Eric Mabie (25:48.592)
Exactly. Right.

Eric Mabie (26:00.229)
Yup.

Eric Mabie (26:05.956)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Brett McCollum (26:08.662)
Yeah, but I love that resilient mind, you know. That’s really good. I played sports my whole life growing up, right? Played for college, played post-college for a little while. And I was a pitcher, but thank God I was a pitcher, because I think as a hitter, it’s so much harder to hit, because a good batting average…

Eric Mabie (26:28.964)
This 300 is failing 70 % of the time. Exactly.

Brett McCollum (26:31.118)
70 % failure and you have to you can go for four for whatever it is for three, know, three four or five games in a row and you have to get up there every single out that with that I’m locked in and That is that resilient mind the short month. We called it in sports without having a short mind, right? You know like having a short mind of like the next at bat I’m still can get up there and do it because I’ve done it before I can can I can keep doing it

Eric Mabie (26:40.196)
Yeah, yeah.

Brett McCollum (27:00.108)
Yeah, I’m having this, I’m having, I’m in a slump. That’s what you call it in baseball. They might be in a slump, you know, and as a pitcher, I would really mentally wreck them on that. But like, as a hitter, like you can’t live in that. You got to think of that resilient mind. So I love that you said that man, cause that’s where I go mentally. It’s like, yeah, it’s a slump. It is the best for me, baseball, the very best hitters of all time went through slumps.

Eric Mabie (27:03.204)
Thank you.

Brett McCollum (27:29.07)
And they’re still in the Hall of Fame. Oh, and probably made multiple many, many millions of dollars. But yeah, man, I’m glad you said that because I really want to spend some time talking about how to navigate because there’s so many people right now that know it’s not the same 2008 levels, but there’s so many investors that I talk to, that I work with and things like that that are going through just the most unimaginable difficulty. And I want you guys, if you’re listening to this, to

rewind back and listen to Eric’s resiliency and how he speaks. Because you can let that get down into your spirit, like into your core, not just a, it really needs to become you of I am not my circumstance. And I’m speaking from experience with that. Like you are not your experience. That’s not who you are. But man, I’m glad you shared that with us, man. I really appreciate that. Yeah.

Eric Mabie (28:24.867)
Thank you.

Brett McCollum (28:27.182)
I like to give everybody kind of an opportunity to like, if people want to connect with you, get to know you more, follow along the path, like you’re a coach, that sort of thing. Like what’s the best way for that to happen?

Eric Mabie (28:28.45)
Thank

Eric Mabie (28:37.068)
So I have Facebook, Instagram, Eric Mabie. So all of the stuff people see about me online is all in the health coaching space. It’s when we connect more in a one-on-one space where I can dive into the real estate side, the investing side, and things like that. So my website, ericmabie.com, that has a nice overview. And then I believe from there, all my social media stuff, my personal page on Facebook and Instagram.

are also just show kind of the day-to-day and tips and stuff, but it’s all wellness related.

Brett McCollum (29:12.558)
That’s incredible. Guys, that’s a no. There are such things as no brainers. This is one of them. Go follow Eric. Go to his website. Find his socials. Go follow along. Man, everything we’ve talked about. This is what success looks like, isn’t it? It’s climb, fall, climb, climb. And that’s the path. you’ve lived it. And that’s not to say you won’t have more adversity in your life, right?

Eric Mabie (29:29.602)
Yeah.

Eric Mabie (29:37.733)
yeah, I already have.

Brett McCollum (29:40.862)
You know so yeah, I mean it’s been great so guys follow along with Eric you know and Sometimes we need somebody to look up to when we’re going through stuff and what a great great role model you are for everybody Eric I appreciate you Cool well guys. been a great episode Thanks for hanging out with us, and we’ll see you guys on the next alright. Take care everybody

Eric Mabie (29:53.863)
I appreciate that very much.