From Trucker to Land Investor

John Harcar (00:00.846)
Hey guys, welcome back to the show. Great show today. We’re here with Daniel Martinez and we’re going to be talking about his journey from a truck driver to a land investor. Remember guys, here at Investor Fuel, we help real estate investors, service providers, and really all real estate entrepreneurs, 2 to 5X their business by giving them the tools to build the businesses they want to build and live the lives they’ve always wanted to. Daniel, welcome to the show.

@danielnytfire (00:27.251)
Thanks for having me, I’m excited to be here. Big fan of podcasting and I try and contribute whenever I can with doing guesting and doing my own show. So, yes.

John Harcar (00:32.798)
Awesome. Nice. you have your own show. Very cool. Well, I’m really looking forward to talking about how you made that transition from, you know, a truck driver to land investor. But before we do all that, why don’t you kind of fill our audience in on, who you are, talk about where you’re from, your family. I mean, just let us know how you got here.

@danielnytfire (00:55.122)
Yeah, absolutely. I’ve been a business owner for last six years, actually seven years. I got into trucking because I was a truck driver. Married for, I think it’s nine years now. I got three kids. Been doing this for a long time. Kind of fell into it and we’ve just been grinding out ever since. But it’s been an interesting journey from truck driving. Because when I was a truck driver, a lot of people…

John Harcar (01:09.006)
Congratulations.

@danielnytfire (01:24.178)
people think they’re a little dumbed down. But it shows that anybody can do it.

John Harcar (01:27.383)
Right.

Well, what do mean dumb down?

@danielnytfire (01:31.954)
When I was in truck driving school, when I was doing training, my trainer was like, he’s like, you’re not a truck driver. I’m like, what do mean? He’s like, you’re not a truck driver. He’s like, I see truck drivers coming through these doors all the time and you’re not one of them. And I’m like, what are you doing here? And I’m like, I’m taking the test, leave me alone.

John Harcar (01:50.956)
Right. Well, and that’s interesting. I’ve had a lot of experience with truck drivers that wanted to get into this business. And it’s funny, you know, we’ve done role playing and they’ve been, you know, or calling and they’ve been on the road. So for you specifically, how did you get introduced to real estate investing as a whole?

@danielnytfire (02:09.649)
So I am a product of podcasting. When you’re truck driving alone, you have hours, hours upon hours to consume and listen to content. So I listen to a lot of YouTube. And when I first started truck driving, it was a lot of music. You just listen to music, kind of vibe out and all that stuff. And then I realized I wanted to do something and really make a change. So I started listening to podcasts and business YouTube and just different creators online.

John Harcar (02:17.071)
Tons of time on your hands.

@danielnytfire (02:37.966)
And it kind of opened up my mind to the business side of business in general, from business of trucking to business of real estate, you kind of just consume content on that side, because you have a lot of time to do so.

John Harcar (02:48.557)
Mm-hmm.

who do you think you listen to the most or maybe had the most influence for you on that business side you were talking about?

@danielnytfire (02:57.328)
I listened to, because when I was truck driving, did listen to trucking podcasts and I did listen to real estate stuff as well. So it was a lot of Steve Train, it was a lot of Ari Tipster back in the day. And I didn’t really know that I was gonna do land at that point, it was just something that I was just, I just listened to lot of different stuff.

John Harcar (03:18.219)
Okay. So you kind of listened, you absorbed, and then he just kind of put it into motion or, did you get any type of mentor to kind of help guide you lead to where you wanted to go?

@danielnytfire (03:28.878)
No mentor. I think my investing style is a product of lot of mentors over the years, but I didn’t necessarily have a mentor upfront. I kind of learned falling forward through transactions and failing, losing money, losing EMD a couple of times and all that jazz.

John Harcar (03:45.454)
I think we’ve all been in that spot some point, you know, and, know, what’s the, what’s the definition of fail, you know, first attempt in learning. And I think that’s some of the best way to learn is, is in real practical application. So how did you start investing? Did you just shoot right to land? Did you start doing wholesaling? I mean, what was your journey?

@danielnytfire (03:58.251)
Absolutely.

@danielnytfire (04:06.062)
So I was living in Georgia at the time, I had a, I was trying to do houses, because every single house is most popular thing. This is back in 2019, 2020, it was probably, was 2019. It was like 2019 before COVID and all this stuff happened. And I contracted a few houses. I took a course, shout out to Jalen White. I took a course from a 19 year old kid at the time, and that was against my mentor at the time.

He had a course for like 250 bucks and I bought the courses called You Learn the Game and he taught houses. So I was learning houses. I contracted houses, properties a little outside of town. I put a thousand dollars EMD on. I lost it and I had a seller. I contracted, sold the deal and we had a schedule closing on a Monday. He actually passed away on a Friday. So that was, I was gonna make like $30,000. So it was a little…

John Harcar (05:02.78)
Hmm. A little, yeah, about to say a little kick in the the in the gut. What do you what do you think were maybe some of the biggest mistakes you made when you started out?

@danielnytfire (05:03.757)
We’ve got punch right there.

Yeah.

@danielnytfire (05:13.054)
Everybody thinks you’re doing enough effort. They’re not putting the effort in the right places And I think it’s I think it’s a big one is you think I? Think so when you first start off like I’m gonna call I’m make some cold calls or I’m gonna drive for dollars and you’re like I’m just gonna drive for 15 minutes around the block or I’m gonna make two phone calls I’m gonna skip trace somebody and I think it’s enough to get a deal and I’m like yeah, I work today I’m gonna do this full-time and then you realize it takes

John Harcar (05:20.735)
Expand on that.

@danielnytfire (05:42.196)
hundreds of driving for dollars leads, tens of hundreds, and potentially hundreds of thousands of phone calls just to get a deal. So you’re not doing enough effort to get that result you want.

John Harcar (05:53.984)
Yeah, and I think that’s your dead spot on, know, the minimal effort thinking that I can get the job done when it’s, I mean, it’s a grind, you know, you don’t drive for 15 minutes, you drive for 15 hours to get as many homes as you can, and then you spend the next 15 hours calling them. So, you know, if someone wants to get into the business, what kind of things did you recommend maybe that you wish you would have done?

@danielnytfire (06:09.61)
Absolutely.

@danielnytfire (06:17.131)
It depends on your personal ability. So some people have more, they might have some savings, they might have a good paying job, they might have a lot more resources than other people. And some people might have more time or they’re gonna grind it out like, I work 10 hours a day, I don’t really have much money to put towards marketing, but I have a few extra hours I can allocate on the weekends and after work. Or if you’re a truck driver, I can start calling while I’m driving, you know? So it really depends on your personal availability and responsibility.

So when I started, I had a few dollars, so I actually put a carrot side out and put some ads to PPC back in the day, and that’s how I got my first deal. But I didn’t have time to cold call. really didn’t have time to, I was more, I had a little bit of money allocation versus time allocation. So I wanted to really focus on like, if I can produce leads with my money, that way I can spend less time, you kind of find that balancing scale.

John Harcar (07:12.737)
Well, and I think too that is something that a lot of people don’t realize is that, it’s not always, you know, what you know, it’s kind of who you know, in a sense and best utilizing your ability. You know, like you said, you had money, you didn’t have the time. Some folks might have the time. So take that step, maybe take an ego check and partner up, right? Utilize what you have and fulfill what someone else doesn’t. So.

@danielnytfire (07:35.625)
Correct, absolutely. like I said, sometimes you have to do that. You have to make a sacrifice for a certain amount of time, partner with somebody, just to kind of learn the game and get into the system. But it’s one of those things where you have to really make sure you understand what you’re getting in exchange. Sometimes it’s experience, sometimes it’s monetary, sometimes it’s help, sometimes it’s resources, and you really have to balance that structure.

John Harcar (08:01.729)
Got it. How many houses did you wholesale before you made the turn to land? None. Really?

@danielnytfire (08:06.139)
None. None. None. I contracted three and two fell through and then the third one, the seller died. And then my PPC, I targeted land and I’ve been doing land ever since.

John Harcar (08:20.019)
Okay, and that was going to be on my next question. So, I mean, now three, only three contracts and no wholesale deals. How did you make that switch to land? Is it because you’re getting people filling out the PPC stuff or you’re buying land leads or how are you, how did you make that transition?

@danielnytfire (08:36.072)
It was a friend of mine at the time. He’s like hey switch over to land You might have an easier time from acquisitions like people land doesn’t cash flow It just sits there you kind of all they have these little little mini observations there something alright I already tried houses for five six months. Let me switch to land so I Put a website out I had a traffic ring to it, and I was running into at Georgia at the time

I had a lady hit my website from Georgia, but she owned a property in Florida. I’m like, okay, I don’t have to see the land. so I contracted it. I didn’t know very much, but I was like, I think it’s worth about 15 to 20,000. If I get this thing for five, we’re gonna make something. I don’t know how much, but we’re gonna make something. So I contracted it for five. I ended up selling it on Marketplace for 12 in two days. And the rest is history. Still never seen that property to this day.

John Harcar (09:21.453)
Yeah, right.

John Harcar (09:27.649)
Very cool. There you go.

What’s the difference in evaluating land versus evaluating just a regular single family? mean, what extra steps or things do you need to know or would someone need to know when they’re looking at land deals?

@danielnytfire (09:44.01)
It’s a great question. So it depends on the size. So there’s a lot of people that teach smaller infill lots and it’s kind of that’s very similar to houses. It’s comps, it’s location, it’s access to utilities. There’s no repair value, but it might not have sewer access. It might not have electrical access. So you kind of have to balance those things out. And then the other thing too is that you can really find a great deal. So with the house…

John Harcar (10:01.718)
Mmm, yeah.

@danielnytfire (10:11.333)
Back in the day it was 70 cents on the dollar. Some markets are 65, 55 cents on the dollar now if you’re contracting a house minus your expenses and wholesale fee to get a contract. With land, you generally want to get deals for 30 to 50 cents on the dollar. That way can sell it at a discount for 70 to 80 cents to an end user.

John Harcar (10:28.747)
Right, okay, got it. Is there a specific, like a size of land that you like to stick to? I mean, does it really matter? mean, how do you vary or judge what you go after?

@danielnytfire (10:41.828)
Me personally I like the like 20 to 100 20 to 80 acres maybe go up to 100 acres I like that little that that little Buy box because we can subdivide and I’ve really gotten really big into subdividing Which is we’ll find a big large parcel and then we’ll cut it into smaller tracks and then we’ll sell those tracks to a bunch of other buyers So that’s generally what we what we’ve done a lot of

John Harcar (10:56.415)
Okay.

John Harcar (11:03.713)
Got it.

@danielnytfire (11:07.524)
not that I won’t do an info lot or a mobile home deal or anything like that, not that I won’t do it, it’s just I’ve really found my success with subdividing because you get like, you can buy, it’s the Costco model, you can buy a big bulk chunk of something and you cut it up into smaller chunks and you sell those. So you can really get a huge multiple on those.

John Harcar (11:25.865)
Is there anything specific that a property or land needs to have to be able to be subdivided or is just any land you can subdivide?

@danielnytfire (11:33.06)
So Texas has a rule anything 10 acres or more can be subdivided So that’s why I said 20 acres or more if it’s 20 acres with the house just 20 acres of raw land Then it’s the frontage. So usually it’s I’m usually looking for 20 to 60 acres 20 to 80 acres that way and then you’re looking at the frontage So if you have a parcel that lays against the land like this, you can just cut it up Whereas if a parcel is deep you need you don’t have enough frontage. You have to like cut into it which caused development and all that stuff. So

John Harcar (11:38.434)
Got it?

John Harcar (11:48.333)
Yeah.

John Harcar (12:02.625)
Yeah, yeah.

@danielnytfire (12:03.319)
I’m looking for easy deals that are easy to subdivide in Texas and that’s what I do.

John Harcar (12:08.223)
Okay, so you’re in Texas. What part of Texas? Texas is obviously a big state.

@danielnytfire (12:12.407)
I don’t actually live in Texas. just do business in Texas. I do a lot of business in Texas. So one of the cool things about land is I do try and see a lot of the properties we buy virtually. In some way, she performs the drone shots or I’ll have somebody go walk it that I trust, a student or whatnot. But a lot of land I usually don’t see. I bought a deal in Spokane. I’m actually closing it today. Never been to Spokane, Washington.

John Harcar (12:15.508)
cool. Nice.

John Harcar (12:27.126)
Okay.

John Harcar (12:35.661)
Nice. Did it come from a PPC lead? Oh, nice. Okay. So how many land purchases and subdivides? Well, let’s back up for a second. How long does it take to subdivide a property?

@danielnytfire (12:38.402)
Now it’s from a wholesaler.

@danielnytfire (12:49.314)
So it depends on the size and depends on what you’re doing. So if you’re doing the 10 acre plus rule, an exemptive divide, should take you, it could take you like 30 to 45 days to kind of get the paperwork in order to kind of finalize that. I have done smaller ones and that’s like eight to 12 months, could be 18 months and it’s a lot more intensive. It’s not like you’re physically working, but it’s just waiting for paperwork to go through. It’s bureaucratic red tape, exactly. So check us out.

John Harcar (13:13.197)
Sure. It’s the bureaucratic red tape.

@danielnytfire (13:18.625)
So I did a smaller like 11-acre deal and the county reviews paperwork for minor subdivisions like this once a month. So if you miss something, which we did, you have to do a minor correction, you have to wait another 30 days just to get that minor correction adjusted or corrected or approved. So it was just like, all right, what do I need to change? Okay, now I gotta wait 30 days again? Okay, okay, awesome.

John Harcar (13:21.037)
Mm-hmm.

John Harcar (13:26.657)
Hmm?

John Harcar (13:34.988)
Right?

John Harcar (13:46.315)
Right. You get it done fast, but they sure don’t. They take their time.

@danielnytfire (13:49.884)
No. No, it’s painful sometimes.

John Harcar (13:53.87)
Do you have a sweet spot as far as the land that you like to specifically subdivide? Or does it mean you’ll take whatever you get?

@danielnytfire (14:00.928)
I take whatever I get, but like I said, I like the 20 acres or more. I’m hopefully getting a contract on Friday. Apparently there’s a bunch of heirs involved, but we’re getting 74 acres outside of Waco. So, yeah.

John Harcar (14:12.717)
outside of Waco. Awesome.

And once you subdivide these things, once you sell them all, once you sell them, how are you selling them? Are you just finding people that are just buying it outright? I think we talked about some seller finance and creative type of things that you do.

@danielnytfire (14:27.336)
Absolutely, so I try and buy a creative as much as possible And I sell creative as much as possible. So we do seller financing. We create our own notes it’s a very unknown space in the real estate space, but the real estate if you had the ability to if you had the right capital you can buy whatever you want if you think about it, so We try and buy creatively because if we can negotiate with seller to be by being the bank it gives us a win-win scenario

And then on the back end, by us being the bank with the seller, we can kind of create our own terms and pricing and all that stuff. And then we sell the mortgage to a third party node investor.

John Harcar (15:05.869)
Okay, so you hold, do you have a length of how long you normally hold the note for?

@danielnytfire (15:10.206)
Generally, we’re trying to sell it at the table, but I would like to get into position with private investors to actually hold and season the notes because we’ve had notes that come back and they boomerang back to us. Not that it’s our intention, but life happens just like houses and things transition and sometimes you get the opportunity to get the deal back.

John Harcar (15:19.029)
Okay.

John Harcar (15:30.177)
What do you think right now are some of the struggles that you’re dealing with that, who knows? Someone who might be listening might have an answer for it. But what are those struggles that you’re dealing with to get to that next step in your business?

@danielnytfire (15:40.701)
My next step is probably just getting the sales team up to date on just grinding it out and being effective and efficient as possible. It’s probably my current struggle.

John Harcar (15:53.121)
Okay. What does your team look like?

@danielnytfire (15:56.958)
My team is I have two acquisitions and I have three dispositions and I have two VAs. I do a lot of back end stuff with research and whatnot and stuff with the CRM.

John Harcar (16:10.209)
How did you find your, now are they virtual acquisitions guys? Are they in market or what are those?

@danielnytfire (16:16.957)
So I run, my land is really virtual. So I have people, I have a guy out of Chicago. I have a distribution guy out of Europe. I have people all over the place. It’s definitely flexible and this is, I run a virtual business. So I have people, my operations manager’s out of Georgia. So I have, and I live in California. it’s Southern California, between San Diego and LA.

John Harcar (16:27.471)
Wow, very cool.

John Harcar (16:41.483)
What part of California?

Orange County. I bought my first house in Harupa Valley back in 19, no, I’m like 2002. I’m originally from Huntington Beach area. That’s another story. OK, right on. Yeah, I know the area very well. What’s your biggest success story in your business? What has been the biggest win that you’ve had?

@danielnytfire (16:48.004)
Riverside.

@danielnytfire (16:52.314)
Okay.

@danielnytfire (17:01.173)
My kids go to school in Temecula, so.

@danielnytfire (17:13.459)
Biggest win is just… man.

@danielnytfire (17:18.892)
Biggest win I would say we we did our first subdivide probably in 20 want to say was 2022 and it kind of opened up our eyes to the possibilities of doing Just stuff divides in general and it was a seven figure transaction that we ended up doing it took us nine months to complete it but it was kind of opened our eyes to What we can and can’t do with yeah, it was a springboard exactly kind of open our eyes and

John Harcar (17:36.781)
awesome.

John Harcar (17:42.307)
It was the springboard.

@danielnytfire (17:46.971)
kind of created what we do now.

John Harcar (17:48.565)
I love it. I love it. What kind of trends are you seeing out there in the real estate world or in the land world that are happening right now or maybe the way things might be going?

@danielnytfire (17:56.475)
Yes, great question. I’ve adjusted a lot over the last four to three to six months. I’ve just a lot personally where I’ve I think there’s a trend downwards toward I mean, I think the markets changed a lot since COVID COVID was like you to do business. It’s definitely got a lot harder. So I told my sales team that we’re focused on buying cheaper deals and better locations. I made the mistake over the last

four or five months. And I’ve adjusted since then, but I’ve gotten deals that I thought were deals, but they’re in rural markets. So rural markets, there’s less buyers. So we’re having to deal with that. So I’ve really focused my team to get better deals in better markets. And that’s kind of the adjustment I’ve made personally. And that we’re just avoiding the rural stuff. Because we used to do rural stuff back in the day and it would work during COVID whenever people would just come out and buy stuff. But we’ve definitely had it adjust since then.

John Harcar (18:32.245)
Okay. Yep.

John Harcar (18:41.453)
Mm-hmm.

John Harcar (18:50.789)
Yeah, it has been just what if someone wants to get into land investing or you know kind of do kind of some of the things you’re doing what what are some good resources that that folks should should look up or use or that’ll help them get into land investing.

@danielnytfire (19:07.449)
So there’s a lot of educators out there from land in general. I think each one of them have their own little twist on the land space. Some people teach desert flips in the middle of Phoenix. I don’t know. Some people teach subdivide. Some people teach infil lots in Florida. It really depends on what your speed and tempo is. But there’s a lot of resources out there depending on who you look at. But as far as tools, I personally use Landglide.

John Harcar (19:24.834)
Mm-hmm.

@danielnytfire (19:36.406)
land ID, I’ve heard really good things about land portal. And then main thing I use is just spreadsheets for calculations. then for seller finance stuff, I use a 10 BII calculator. Essentially, it’s a mortgage finance calculator. I use that a lot.

John Harcar (19:52.684)
Morgan’s. Awesome. OK. What advice would you give someone getting into land investing or wanting to get into land investing?

@danielnytfire (20:01.88)
Be consistent I tell my students all the time is there’s opportunity out there for really good big wins If you’re consistent the marketplace and you know say I have to get a lot of deal flow in the land space you can get one really really good deal that’ll set your whole year apart and Yeah, set your whole year apart Yes

John Harcar (20:08.939)
Mm-hmm.

John Harcar (20:19.053)
Sure.

You said, you said students, do you have a coaching program? Do you, you know, do you coach a lot of people on this?

@danielnytfire (20:29.259)
I don’t coach a lot of people. It’s kind of died down. think if anybody in the coaching space, think since COVID, it’s died down a lot. People have left the business. So it’s definitely died down for me personally. But I still teach Tuesday class myself personally. But I enjoy teaching. I get good questions. I get good feedback. I get good leads from my students. So it’s just one of those things where.

John Harcar (20:45.441)
Okay.

John Harcar (20:52.993)
That’s awesome. How do you find the students? Do do like a Facebook type of post, social media stuff?

@danielnytfire (20:58.952)
I really don’t push it at all. even me right now, I’m not, it’s Spectre Land Academy, but I really don’t push it. I try not, people want to find it and they find it. There’s ways to find it and it’s in my bio, but Spectre Land Academy, but I really don’t push it. I promise you I don’t push it.

John Harcar (21:05.623)
Okay.

John Harcar (21:10.567)
And you said that was Inspector Land Academy? Why not? Why not? Do you not have enough time or?

@danielnytfire (21:21.205)
It’s one of those things where I feel if people want to find the resources they’ll find you and People some people will go about it the other way We’re like I’m just gonna market and market my face off until everybody comes to the door and I’m just like I’d rather be a subtle a subtle coach is like if you want if you want people not the coaching for me and If you’re listening to this you can find it if you look But I try not to like push it out there email and Facebook blast people

John Harcar (21:26.797)
Mm-hmm.

John Harcar (21:47.68)
they seek you out they might have more more drive. And I noticed one other thing on your bio that you put on here is you also help new and established brands organize their online presence to build their list and grow their audience. So tell us about that.

@danielnytfire (22:02.869)
That’s actually a venture. What I’ve noticed is that, I’m in the CRM business, I’ve mentioned this to you, I run a GHL agency. The problem is everybody can go get GHL directly, which is, it’s perfectly fine. I I’ve had up to a thousand clients at one point and I’m jumbled down to this. What I’ve noticed is that people that want and need to use it effectively don’t know how. They don’t know how. So everybody that’s out there, huh?

John Harcar (22:28.204)
Hmm.

Lack of training. Lack of training.

@danielnytfire (22:34.249)
They just, they’re not that person. They’re not that person. They might be the next land guru or something. they’re focused on their business. They need help on their online side. And it might be organization, might be emails, it might be follow-up, it might be events, might be event coordination, it might be stuff like that just online with the backing. GHL is a really great tool that a lot of people have really come to use.

everywhere like everybody I know is using GHL but I’ll talk to one of my clients and he’s like he’s like I have a kind of an account with you but I was told to control my own stuff so I got my own I got a GHL account directly and then I just realized I didn’t really want to do the work

John Harcar (23:04.77)
Mm-hmm.

John Harcar (23:21.037)
Hahaha

@danielnytfire (23:23.549)
So I’m like, okay, like this is why you stick with me. Cause I have the tools and resources to help you be affected. That way you can focus on what you’re good at and my team can help you focus on what you’re not. So I’ve really.

John Harcar (23:34.071)
So do you help with like the automation and all that type of stuff? Is that what you’re talking about? Just, okay, okay. Just wanna make sure that’s clear.

@danielnytfire (23:36.978)
Yeah. Yeah, so I have a couple like guru clients that I help organize their web stuff. I have a client that has 30 million followers. I’m helping create a product for him and essentially build his list because he’s never monetized his audience before. He’s really built his organic audience over the last 25 years or so, but never monetized it. And with the algorithm…

John Harcar (23:45.183)
Okay.

John Harcar (23:56.599)
Mm-hmm.

@danielnytfire (24:03.826)
and monetization has really trick down over since COVID. COVID was like his peak with everything. Like TikTok was putting out money, Facebook was putting out money, YouTube was putting out money, and now they kind of tickled the back. he’s doing less volume from his views than he was before. So I’m like, you need to create your own product, get your own list, and bring your people to you where they’re all in-house, so you don’t have to count on TikTok’s algorithm to monetize.

John Harcar (24:09.42)
Right.

John Harcar (24:13.419)
Like crazy.

John Harcar (24:29.597)
Is that in the land real estate space?

@danielnytfire (24:32.113)
No, no, he’s a… he’s a… I don’t want to put him on blast, but he’s…

John Harcar (24:37.261)
No, no, you don’t have to say any names. I just I was just curious if it’s in this industry or if you do stuff because I mean we have Okay. Yeah, because we have folks that are are listening to our show that you know, this might be a Second thing for them maybe and they have other things that you can help them maybe monetize like something like that They might have a podcast and never monetize their list or you know, some of those things

@danielnytfire (24:41.623)
He’s in the religious space.

John Harcar (25:01.803)
Man, good, good, good conversation. If, if anybody wants to get ahold of you, right, if they want to talk to you about land, they want to talk to you about the GHL, they want to talk to you about, you know, anything we spoke with today, what’s the best way for them to reach out to you?

@danielnytfire (25:14.043)
So I’m Daniel Nightfire on all platforms, TikTok, Instagram, mean, not TikTok, but Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, all that jazz. can definitely find me there. I have my own podcast called Nightfire.com, Nightfireland Podcasts, and then we just produce some content and you can find me there. I have a number, 210-972-1842. If you text that number, any questions, go straight to my team and they can answer any question about anything, pretty much, that I pertain to.

John Harcar (25:39.96)
Sweet, and what?

Yeah, we’ll put all your contact stuff in the bottom too, all your links I think that you provided to us, all your social stuff so folks could find you. And guys, I mean, I hope you got as much out of this as I did. I mean, if you have interest in land investing, reach out. Let Daniel know what stuff he might be able to help you with and grow your business. There are a lot of folks that are starting to do more land from what I hear. So it’s a great opportunity. Daniel, thank you again, man. I really appreciate you being on here.

And everyone I hope you guys had a good time and enjoyed the show Cheers

@danielnytfire (26:17.954)
Thank you guys, bye.