Living a Life of Discipline and Meaning

Mike Hambright (00:00.966)
Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. Today I have my guest is Nathan Payne. We’re gonna be talking about living a life of discipline and meaning. We’re gonna go deep today. So you definitely wanna make sure that you’re listening in here. So Nathan, great to have you on the show,

Nathan Payne (00:15.225)
Thanks for having me on here. I’m ready to go deep.

Mike Hambright (00:17.64)
Yeah, let’s do it. Always good to see you. So before we get started, I know you’ve kind of been on a journey of just becoming the best person you can, right? You said kind of living a meaningful life and not necessarily doing the easy thing. So a lot of people are working hard to try to make their life easier, but you’re not focused on necessarily ease, you’re focused on meaning, right?

Nathan Payne (00:19.982)
Yeah.

Nathan Payne (00:41.358)
Oh, 100 % meeting because I think the life of ease, like going living on the beach or whatever, going after things that are easy, that gets boring after a while. You have to pursue things that are meaningful.

Mike Hambright (00:56.06)
Yeah, yep, yep. Hey, before we jump in, tell us your background, how you got to where you are today.

Nathan Payne (01:02.478)
Yeah, so I’ll kind of start with my door-to-door sales background because that kind of goes into why I got into real estate. So I was doing door-to-door sales in college from like 2012 to 2016 and did fairly well in the door-to-door scene. If anyone knows it, it’s pretty lucrative. You can make quite a bit of money doing it. So I was doing very well. But once I got married, graduated from college and got married, I was like,

you know, this lifestyle of going to different, cause it’s a pretty transient job, right? So you go from like market to market in the summers and I would just didn’t want to move a lot. So once I got married, said, okay, what can I do where I can, you know, stay local, not have to move and make good money. And I reached out to my friend who was wholesaling and doing lease options in college at the time. And his dad was also doing it. So I said, Hey, like I’m trying to do a career change and

you are you into real estate? And he’s like, no, but I want to be, I’m at a tech sales job. And I was like, well, you could quit your job and I’ll quit mine and we’ll just go all in in real estate. So then he quit and I quit and we just started, started wholesaling at that point. Salt Lake City. Yeah. And that was in 2018 is when we went all in on a wholesaling and we didn’t have any money to start with. just, because our wives were like, Hey, yeah, go ahead and do it. But like, you’re not taking.

Mike Hambright (02:13.094)
And that was in Salt Lake City? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Nathan Payne (02:27.424)
any of the money to do it, you got to start from scratch. I saved quite a bit of money, so it wasn’t like a very big like burning of the boats, right? Like if it didn’t work out in six months, I’d be fine. Same with him, like our wives at work. So we went in and it worked out and it’s been a roller coaster ride ever since, but that’s how I got started.

Mike Hambright (02:28.974)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (02:47.75)
Yeah, so let’s talk about just this general idea of living a life of, you know, having a specific routine in your life, a lot of consistency that helps you with a lot of other things we’re going to talk about today, but just maybe kind of high level, just talk about what that’s meant for you and the power of that for others that are listening.

Nathan Payne (03:04.556)
Yeah, so the reason why I got really heavy into trying to be the best version of myself was because it was wholesaling in real estate, right? Real estate was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be when I got started. I was like, man, I got to negotiate with sellers. I got to, I guess, be the best version of myself so people will work with me, right? Because that’s how I felt. And I have to manage teams. I have to hire employees. I want to be the best I can be.

So that’s how I kind of got started on the journey of like, okay, let me dial myself in So let me be like the best leader the best version of myself I can be so I can build this company or build Not necessarily the income but build the business that I want and that’s how I got started Like getting into it. Yeah

Mike Hambright (03:51.985)
Yeah, yeah. And so what are some of the benefits?

that you see with, I mean, I think a lot of entrepreneurs, one of the challenges of lot of entrepreneurs is they don’t have a boss now, if you had a W-2 before, so you don’t have structure, right? So you’re just like, I can do what I want, when I want. And even if you don’t think that, that’s how you act, right? It’s just like, well, I don’t need to do anything anytime unless I say I wanna do it, right? But that doesn’t give you a successful business or certainly probably a meaningful life.

Nathan Payne (04:22.914)
Yeah. So for me, having that routine, that structure, well, first of all, just let everyone know, like I have ADHD and ADD. So for me, like starting as an entrepreneur where I didn’t have a boss and I could do whatever I want, like it was difficult because there was like, there wasn’t any structure. like, I felt like I had to really dial that in like, okay. I can’t just come to work and not really know what I’m going to do, or I can’t like before I come to work, just like wake up and roll out of bed and go to work. I have to have like structure my life. So.

That is what pushed me to do is because I felt very like there wasn’t a path or there wasn’t a way forward. I just felt like I was floating in the wind. So I had to dial it in for myself and for the business.

Mike Hambright (05:02.738)
Yep.

Mike Hambright (05:07.4)
Yeah, it’s good to be self-aware because like, I mean, probably half people listening to the show have ADD, right? But, and my son does too, and he’s 17. So I really, you know, we’re trying to give him structure, but he’s just refuting it. but I understand the value of just having that structure, right?

Nathan Payne (05:22.126)
Yeah.

Nathan Payne (05:25.944)
Yeah, it’s so important because if you wake up, this is an analogy a lot of people use, but if you’re ship in the ocean without a direction, it doesn’t matter where you’re going, where you want to go because you don’t know where you’re trying to go. So for me, if I have an ultimate destination I’m trying to achieve, then I need to know how to get there, I need to know what to do to get there. It doesn’t really matter what I do in life.

Like if someone wants to own like 2 million doors, like let’s say that someone wants to own a rental portfolio, then like wholesaling every deal doesn’t make sense. Like you wouldn’t be doing that if that’s ultimately you want to just own a ton of properties. So I think knowing really deep down like what’s your why, what you want to accomplish in life is super important or you’re not going to get there.

Mike Hambright (06:17.672)
So what are your tips on kind of defining that upfront of what your why is, what you’re trying to accomplish, what your goals are? Anybody can just kind of write down their goals or their vision, right? But what makes it more likely to happen?

Nathan Payne (06:27.926)
Of course.

Nathan Payne (06:33.486)
Yeah, I think it’s for me, like I actually take all my clients that I work with through their why, because I think knowing why you’re doing something is going to help you to get there. And if you don’t, like you’re going to, especially in real estate, like if you don’t know why you’re doing this, you’re probably going to quit because it’s hard, you know? So I sit down with people and I say, okay, the first thing that you want to identify is your vision, right? Like, and actually have my, always read mine every day. the vision.

that you have is it’s your dream, your true north star, like the true north, meant to inspire and create a sense of purpose. like knowing what’s your dream, like what’s the end result of everything you want in your life? What do you want to be remembered for? Like who do you want to become? So I try to help people identify that and to be honest, like a lot of it comes down to your religious beliefs or like what you internally believe is important. Like a lot of people, they’re like, I want to be remembered as being a good person.

Rarely is it money, It’s like what they want to become, what they want to be remembered for. Does that make sense? So that’s the vision.

Mike Hambright (07:33.969)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. That’s awesome.

So let’s dive into some of these things that you do that people should have a routine around in their life. And one of them is waking up early. So a little inside joke for those of you that are listening is Nathan and I were chatting before we started recording here and I kept yawning and I’m sorry. He’s I said, I’m sorry. I keep yawning. I got up kind of early today and it’s really not that early because I don’t I don’t know. He’s like, what time? I’m like, I refuse to tell you what time it was because it really wasn’t that early. But I understand the value in it. Having consistency for sure.

Nathan Payne (07:38.874)
Oh, let’s have a minute.

Nathan Payne (07:56.248)
Yeah.

Nathan Payne (08:01.76)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (08:07.69)
So let’s talk about the impact of that on your life.

Nathan Payne (08:08.066)
Yeah.

Nathan Payne (08:11.714)
Well, for me, I always struggle with waking up early at a consistent time because I would wake up during the weekdays, I’d wake up at like, let’s say 630, and then I’d sleep in on the weekend. So it was very hard to maintain a consistent time to wake up. So I listened to a podcast or a short from Alex or Mozi that said, hey, if you’re going to be consistent with waking up at a specific time, even on the weekends, you have to wake up at that time.

Mike Hambright (08:27.46)
Okay, so say yeah.

Nathan Payne (08:41.454)
So I was like, well, I was really struggling to wake up early consistently. Let me just wake up early every day. Even if I go on vacation or whatever. So I started waking up at five, five o’clock. And I’ve never thought I’d be able to do that because 6.30 for me was always early. I was like, oh man, it’s so early, 6.30. So we’re going to five. And then with that time, I’m like, OK, well, now I’m waking up early. What do I do? And what I’ve used with that time has changed over the

And I think it changes for everybody. Like, what are you going to use those morning hours for? And for me, like I said, I’ve changed it a lot. first of all, I would just say like consistently waking up at a time, even on the weekends, like is gonna help you stay disciplined with that.

Mike Hambright (09:27.6)
Yeah.

I started to get up early. This is a while back. I just had something I just could not get done. I was rebuilding one of my coaching programs and I just could never get to it. And then finally I was like, by the way, this is crazy, but I started getting up at like three 30. And I was like, and the truth is, is from like three 30, of course it took me like a half hour just to get my bearings straight. Cause you’re like groggy, right? But for the next like two or three hours, I feel like I was getting like eight hours of work done in like three hours. It was really crazy. by the way, everybody,

Nathan Payne (09:55.618)
This is so true.

Mike Hambright (09:58.363)
I think that that’s crazy getting up that early. But I’ve kind of found myself lately, I’m like, hey, I’m going to start getting up at five. I normally get up at seven, if I’m just going to be honest with everybody in a trance. It’s like, hey, that two hours in the morning though is like the most productive time of my day because I’m not looking at social media. People aren’t trying to call me. My family’s not even up yet. The dog’s still sleeping and I can just kind of crank for a couple of hours. And so that’s probably the most productive time of your day, right?

Nathan Payne (10:26.478)
Yeah, yeah, like there’s obviously as the day goes on, the like the capacity your brain has like function is going to get a little bit depleted. It’s like a battery, right? Like every, every, at the end of every day you need to sleep so you can recharge. And I think that’s what’s happening is as you go throughout the day, you’re losing a little bit, little bit more and more of energy or brain power. So when I wake up early, that’s what I love about it. It’s like, it’s nice and serene. It’s calm. I don’t feel it.

Mike Hambright (10:34.022)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Hambright (10:46.854)
Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Payne (10:55.746)
I really don’t feel that anxious when I wake up. I think as a business owner, there’s anxiety no matter what you do, right? But when I wake up, I’m ready to go, I’m excited, and I go through a specific routine every day. And I’m excited. Every day I’m excited to grow and get into that routine because I know just from studying other people, this is how people grow and succeed and progress.

Mike Hambright (11:25.714)
Yeah, that’s great. Yeah, one of the other things that made me realize when you were just talking about this is…

that I found that I move stuff around in my day and put the most important things in the morning versus the afternoon because of that reason you kind of get, you you’re not as, you don’t have as much energy, your brain gets foggy or whatever. So I started, honestly, I started moving my meetings and phone calls with people and stuff like that, later in the day. And then like, you know, important stuff that requires my best attention, like in the morning, just because I need the most attention, right? Yeah.

Nathan Payne (11:38.03)
No reason.

Nathan Payne (11:58.69)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly how you’re supposed to do it too. Like, you gotta put the most important things first so you can give your full attention.

Mike Hambright (12:07.976)
Right, yep. So let’s talk about another thing that you’ve committed to is reading every day. So a lot of people talk about that, a lot of people aspire to do it. Most that try it don’t do it consistently because it’s one of those things that like nobody’s holding you accountable. So it’s like, ah, tomorrow I’ll just read 20 pages instead of 10 each day because I can’t get to it today. But just talk about the impact that’s had on your life.

Nathan Payne (12:30.786)
Well, first of all, say like, what has actually like helped me to be disciplined and all that I do is tracking. I track everything. And that’s what’s helped me a ton with reading because before, like when I tried to read stuff, like I do well, I’d read some here and there. And if I missed a couple of days, I wouldn’t really know if I did, right? Cause I didn’t track it before. But now like I have an app that I track how many hours I read.

how many books I read, like my read speed. It’s pretty sweet app. And I also track everything on my… It’s called Bookly. Yeah, Bookly. And it’s like 20 bucks for lifetime. But I was like, look, if I’m gonna be committed, I need to spend 20 bucks on an app or something like that. It was like 20 or 15. But it’s amazing because I’ve been using it for two years now. yeah, like I can see exactly how many pages I’ve read, how many hours I’ve read. And it’s…

Mike Hambright (13:03.186)
What is the app?

Okay. Okay.

Mike Hambright (13:14.844)
Yeah.

Nathan Payne (13:26.114)
breaks everything down. I kind of feel, I feel like I’m winning, right? Like, and there’s books I’ve read that I forgot that I read. I’m like, man, I can’t believe I read all those books by, you know, Fyodor Dostoevsky or who’s the other one that everybody loves that wrote the Christmas Carol. Shoot. Anyway, I’ve read a lot. I forget them.

Mike Hambright (13:29.628)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (13:45.213)
Yeah, one of the things that I do is I’m good at buying books and not necessarily reading them. So this just happened the other day. I was at an event, I was talking to somebody, they brought up a book and I was like, I need to get that book. And when you go into Amazon, it’s like, you purchased this book. It tells me that I purchased it before and I’m like, shit, I already have it. So I’m good at buying them, but not necessarily.

Nathan Payne (14:03.726)
That’s right.

Do you like to read physical copies or do read them?

Mike Hambright (14:10.918)
You know, I would say this, like up until a couple years ago, I would always buy physical books. Then I moved to Kindle books, which is just more efficient for a lot of reasons. But I think I’m probably a little more likely to read a Kindle book just because I’ve, I always have my iPad with me, even though I don’t use it that much. I always have it with me. And especially when I travel, like I’m not generally like if there’s a book that I wish I’d brought with me, it’s back home. So doesn’t help me.

Nathan Payne (14:37.934)
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Mike Hambright (14:43.772)
What do you think about that? Some people are big advocates for non-digital books, like they prefer the real thing.

Nathan Payne (14:50.082)
I’ve gone all in on the non-digital books, actually physically having it, because I read a book. It’s called The Majesty of Books. And the guy basically says, there’s two things you always need when you read a book. You need a pencil to underline or write ideas that come to your mind and an idea book, basically a journal to write down what you’re learning. So that’s what I’ve started to do for the last couple of years. And it’s really changed the way I read and how much I retain.

Mike Hambright (15:13.16)
Yeah.

Nathan Payne (15:19.726)
Because I’m like when I read it’s not just to like okay. Let me finish this book It’s more of like okay. What can I get out of it? And what am I learning from it? So it’s That’s helped me a lot and to do it on the phone It’s just not the same as like okay I’m actually writing this down and it’s like scientifically proven that it’s like you write things down you retain them more So that’s why I go that’s why I go physical

Mike Hambright (15:28.114)
Right.

Mike Hambright (15:39.26)
Yeah.

Yeah, I agree with that. usually use a Kindle, I have my, I like, I’m a crazy journal. Like I just write, I fill up notebooks like crazy. And so I usually have that there with me to like, Hey, I got an idea or a thought that came to my mind or spurred something. So yeah, yeah. So a lot of times people think if, they need to have this habit of reading that they need to read something on like,

Nathan Payne (15:53.966)
Perfect.

That’s good.

Mike Hambright (16:06.416)
management or a skill or like a nonfiction book? are you the… Then there’s also some people that is like, my whole life is nonfiction. Like I want to read fiction. I can’t tell you like probably since like fifth grade is the last time I read a fiction book. Like I just don’t read fiction, but I love movies, but I just don’t like to read that stuff. what are you, any thoughts on that?

Nathan Payne (16:22.83)
Yeah

Nathan Payne (16:26.285)
Yeah.

Nathan Payne (16:30.446)
For me, I’ve gone into historical fictions and ones that, for example, Fyodor Dostoevsky, they say he’s one of the greatest writers of all time. And for me, I was like, well, let me see if I agree with that. that wasn’t, that’s not, sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I’ll be the judge of that. So I read his stuff and even though it’s not real, but it’s based on real things that have happened.

Mike Hambright (16:46.842)
I’ll be the judge of that. Do you say I’ll be the judge of that?

Nathan Payne (17:00.718)
It’s also like what people say is the greatest literature out there. So I think it’s okay to do that, but I’m not like reading scientific, like nonfiction stuff. Sorry, scientific fiction novels about like space and stuff. Like I’m not wasting my time.

Mike Hambright (17:16.774)
Mostly self-help types of stuff or subjects you care about, yeah.

Nathan Payne (17:19.084)
Yeah, self-help or if it’s like they say these are one of the best authors of all time. I’m gonna look this one up. The Tale of Two Cities, it’s off of the top of my head who this author was, but I pretty much read all his books just to see what the hype was all about with this guy. You’ll know once I pull him up. There you go, Charles Dickens.

Mike Hambright (17:42.536)
Yeah, it Charles Dickens? that who you’re talking about? OK. Yeah, OK.

Nathan Payne (17:46.574)
Because everyone was like, Dickens is the best. And I was like, well, let’s see if Dickens is the best. when it comes to self-help books, that’s great. But I’m also trying to read what people say historically is the best. Even the Bible, I believe in God and all that. I want to know why is this book, let’s say it’s not true. Let’s say God doesn’t exist, which I do believe. But let’s see why this is such an important book, if it’s not true.

Mike Hambright (17:51.099)
Yeah.

Nathan Payne (18:15.598)
And if we’re just looking at as like a novel. So reading things like that is interesting to me. why does stuff have such a great impact and so much weight? That’s what I like.

Mike Hambright (18:25.116)
Yeah, yeah. So let’s talk about the power of kind of journaling of the importance of that and maybe the impact it’s had on your life and how it could impact listeners here.

Nathan Payne (18:33.783)
man, journaling is one of the greatest things I think I’ve done and I would recommend people to do. It just changes the way you see the world, the way you think. Like if you’re, and when I say journaling, like I’m writing down things that I’m grateful for, grateful that that will happen. Like I even manifest in my journal, like, I’m grateful that this, even if it hasn’t happened, I think just always living in like the attitude of gratitude and reflecting on like what you have and like,

the blessings you have, it changes the way you see the world. And that’s why think journaling is so important, because you can literally change the way you think and see things.

Mike Hambright (19:13.629)
Yeah.

There was a period, I’ve kind of gotten away from it and I’m going to leave, I want to put a note, I want to put a sticky note in my pocket right now about journaling. That like for quite some time, honestly, for a couple of years, I was pretty consistent every day getting up, writing down five things I’m grateful for and what I’m going to accomplish today, just kind of briefly. I think for me, it was like, I don’t have time for that. The reason I never did it and I’m like, I’m just going to force myself to do it. And then I started,

What happened to me is like, like, if you don’t do it very consistently, you can come up with things you’re grateful for. We all have a lot of things to be grateful for. But when I started doing it every day, I started to have to stretch for like, I’m grateful. Like it forced me to focus on small things. Like it wasn’t like, I’m grateful that like this big thing just happened to me, which if you only do it periodically, a lot of big things happen to us. So you can, you can find, but when it’s like, I’m just grateful for like quiet times with myself, or you just kind of find like little things.

Nathan Payne (19:58.819)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (20:13.834)
It causes you to be more grateful because you’re like introspective on like what else can I be grateful for right?

Nathan Payne (20:19.502)
Yeah, it’s honestly incredible when you do it daily. I was reading from the Stoics, there’s a guy named Epictetus or Epictetus, who I’ve been reading lot about. And he’s saying in one of his writings, I’m grateful for breath. I’m grateful for the air in my lungs. And I’m like, dang, that’s really going deep to be grateful for those little things that we take for granted.

Mike Hambright (20:39.376)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (20:44.136)
Granted,

Nathan Payne (20:45.294)
If that’s exactly what this will do to you, you’ll be like, wow, I’m grateful for hands that work. I’m grateful for my knees that aren’t aching all the time. My knee hurts right now, so now I’m grateful that for the times it doesn’t hurt. It’s pretty amazing what you can do when you just sit there and you’re like, wow, how blessed are we to be even alive?

Mike Hambright (20:59.344)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s awesome. So I know.

Mike Hambright (21:07.802)
Yeah, there’s no doubt, there’s no doubt. Yeah, it’s easy as an entrepreneur to get up and you’re like just running from the time you get up till the time you go to bed. It’s easy to allow life to do that, but it doesn’t allow you a lot of introspection to kind of focus on why you’re doing those things, you know? Yeah. So a lot of these things are really kind of leadership type skills, right? And so let’s just talk about, I know you focus on leadership.

training as well or at least like how to live a more meaningful life like how to impact more people so talk about you know the impact that’s had on your life and maybe some tips for others

Nathan Payne (21:45.858)
Yeah, a lot of the books I’ve been reading lately, I read a book by this guy named Warren Rustin. He worked at the White House and he trained CEOs. his book has really impacted me a lot. It’s been really good. He basically, he talks about like, you want to be the best leader, you have to be the best servant because life is about everybody else than us. So that’s like all he talks about in his book is like how to become, you

the best at loving others, serving others, thinking about others. Like he builds his, when he invests in a company, he’s like, do I believe in their product? Do I believe that they can have an impact that they care about people? for me, it’s really being like studying leadership and from books like these guys, it’s like how… I have not met Warren.

Mike Hambright (22:34.662)
Yeah. You know, it took me a second. Do you know, just looked it up while we were talking here. Have you ever met Warren?

So he actually is, so I’ve talked to him before. It’s funny that you say that because he is a coach for my business partner, Jason Lewis, who I think you know in Salt Lake. So he actually is a coach for Jason. Yeah, so we might, anyway, I’ve talked to him in the past. So that’s interesting that he’s, you said that name. I was like, that sounds really familiar.

Nathan Payne (22:50.99)
I do know Jason as well.

Nathan Payne (22:59.672)
Yeah, I’ve tried to reach out to Warren a couple of times. He’s a harder guy to get a hold of, yeah, his book has really opened my eyes to different ways to look at leadership. he also recommended another book that I’m reading called Leadership. It’s very difficult to understand. It’s written by a political science major in the 70s, but he says it’s one of his favorite books. But anyway, all I’m trying to say is I think

Mike Hambright (23:03.048)
Mm-hmm.

Nathan Payne (23:29.302)
Becoming the best version of yourself, becoming the best leader allows you to help others grow. And that’s like what I care about is impact in life. Whether I’m a multi-billionaire, money does not matter at all. I’ve come to a point in my life where like I’m fine in the sense like financially there’ll be no problem. And now it’s like, okay, what do I do to make the biggest impact around me? That’s where I’m at.

Mike Hambright (23:54.227)
Yeah. So what tips can you give others on? Cause I feel that way too. Like I want to make more money and I do, I will make more money, but that’s not my priority. Like it has to be something that I enjoy doing that’s impacting others. And you really, I really like care a lot about.

leaving a legacy. I want people to, I guess I want people to be sad when I die. I don’t know. But I don’t want to die, by the way, so I don’t want anybody to be sad. But I mean, at some point it just switches. It’s like, you know what? I’m good, and I’m comfortable, so what if everything I do is just…

Nathan Payne (24:27.426)
Mm-hmm.

Mike Hambright (24:31.366)
you I’m only going to do things that are with people that I like doing it with. It’s impacting people. It’s going to leave an impact on the world. And that’s all that’s all I do for the most part. So I try to do. So what tips on like, what can you give people on? It’s easy as entrepreneurs. Let’s just talk about real estate investors, right? It’s easy to be so caught in the rat race that you’re just trying to, you know, you’re in a lot of times survival mode, like even if you’re doing a couple of deals a month, like that might not be a lot if you have a lot of overhead, right? So we’re just kind of caught in this rat race. So what tips can you give

Nathan Payne (24:41.24)
Right.

Mike Hambright (25:01.29)
on living a life that has more meaning instead of like being in survival mode, being in a mode that’s about impact.

Nathan Payne (25:08.366)
For me, I think it’s about being self-aware. You have to have time. You have to take time out of your life to be self-aware. If you’re in that rat race mode where you wake up and you’re immediately answering those emails of, this seller doesn’t want to sign or whatever’s happening at this time, you’re going to be just caught up in that race or that mumbo jumbo. But if you can take time, and that’s why I think waking up early is so important, is because you do have those still moments to sit and think.

Okay, is what I’m doing, like is getting an extra 10 properties this month, like, or trying to achieve that this year, is that really gonna bring me closer to what I want in life? Is that really even that important to me or am I just really busy for no reason? And a lot of this happened to me, cause my wife is like, I think being married is really important, right? Cause women can basically like slow you down and be like, Hey, why are you doing all this? Like we don’t, it’s not even that important, right? So I think women can help you be self-aware.

Mike Hambright (26:06.598)
The right woman.

Nathan Payne (26:08.172)
The right woman, right? The right woman can help you be self-aware, but I think it comes down to having that time to just reflect. And if you study any of these greats, like Nelson Mandela that was in prison for 20 years, and Fyodor Dostoevsky, he went to indentured servitude for seven years. A lot of these great people were forced to just sit there and think, unfortunately in prison, right? But they had time to be…

to think, okay, what do really want? And I think we don’t take that time to be self-aware and think. So that would be my suggestion to everyone that maybe feels like things are going too fast. Slow down, take some time to think about what you really want.

Mike Hambright (26:51.24)
Yeah, yeah, you can always be busy if you want to be busy.

Nathan Payne (26:54.734)
Yeah, the to-do list never ends. In the four disciplines of execution, it talks about the whirlwind. We’re all in the whirlwind if we don’t stop and say, we need to realize that there’s so much stuff that the world wants of us. We got to figure out what’s important.

Mike Hambright (27:10.502)
Yeah. Right, right, yeah. Hey, Nathan, if folks wanna follow you or get ahold of you connected anyway, where should they go?

Nathan Payne (27:18.99)
Two places are really good. My Facebook, you can request me on Facebook, Nathan Payne. I have a Facebook group as well that’s Real Estate Wholesaling, The Painless Way, or my YouTube channel. it’s really get me on Facebook or get me on my YouTube channel all under Nathan Payne. Yeah, let’s chat. I’m always down to help and serve. Yeah, I appreciate that.

Mike Hambright (27:40.838)
Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I think that’s very clear after this show. So thanks for sharing your insights with us today. Yeah, no good stuff, buddy. I’ve got a bunch of notes myself of just things that I it basically spurred a lot of thoughts of some things that I need to do. Maybe we’ve gotten away from. So I appreciate that,

Nathan Payne (27:47.245)
Hope it was helpful. Help somebody out.

Nathan Payne (27:58.231)
It happens.

Mike Hambright (27:59.101)
Yeah, that happens. Yep. Everybody, hope you got some good insights from today. Hopefully you got some nuggets on how you can live a life of a more disciplined life, or allows you to live a bigger life of impact. So, appreciate you guys. We’ll see you on the next show.