From Carpet Cleaner to Real Estate Mogul: A Freedom-Seekers Story

Mike Hambright (00:00.997)
Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. I’ve got my buddy Brandon Richards here today. We’re gonna be talking about his fearless pursuit of freedom. At the end of the day, we all started these businesses to have something more in our life. For a lot of folks, was more money, like we wanted more money, but the money ultimately buys freedom, which is what we really want. So money is just a kind of tool to allow you to live the life that you wanna live. Brandon used to operate it in my market here in the DMW market.

Became a little bit of a nomad, moved to Arizona, about to move to Alaska. We’ll talk a little bit more about that, really cool stuff. But I’ve kind of seen his growth over the years. he’s one of those guys that was working, not that he doesn’t work hard now, but worked really hard. But you get to a point in your career, some of us do, where you’re like, what is this all for if you don’t have the freedoms and the things that you want in your life? so real estate is an amazing vehicle that can…

do that for you or like I say, it can suck you in to the hustle zone and you might never leave. And so we’re gonna talk about how to get more freedom in your life today. So Brandon, great to see you buddy.

Brandon Richards (01:08.77)
Yeah, thanks for having me on again. What’s this number three now? Something like that. Yeah.

Mike Hambright (01:11.697)
Well, it’s been a while, right? You were clearly on the Flip Nerd podcast a long time ago. I was on your show once or twice. Twice, okay. That’s been a little while. anyway, it’s my show, so I get to pick who I want to talk to, I guess. So, awesome. And hey, before you jump in, tell us your backstory a little bit. So I knew you when you were slinging houses in DFW just like me and your life has evolved all of ours have, right?

Brandon Richards (01:19.128)
twice now yeah?

Brandon Richards (01:26.572)
Yeah, we’re all right.

Brandon Richards (01:36.835)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (01:40.485)
But can you tell us the story of how you got to where you are today? And stop before you talk about the fact that you’re getting ready to move to Alaska, which is really…

Brandon Richards (01:48.098)
Yeah. Man, in the beginning, so, which rerun time, I was living in Flagstaff. had a carpet cleaning franchise that I was running by myself.

And on paper, I felt like I was making money, but it was me working day in and day out, and I just was thinking, well, what’s next? And so I finally hired some people, and everybody goes on the internet and searches, what’s the next big thing? And so you run across real estate almost always inevitably, and well, shoot, I don’t have any money. I’m just a carpet guy, so what do you do? You get into wholesaling. being that at the time,

Because this is like 10 years ago wholesaling was it was a thing but it wasn’t as hot as it is right now And so I didn’t know how to get into it So I got my real estate license went to century 21 and very very quickly I was like, this is not how you get into real estate at least the real estate I wanted to be into and so then I switched brokerages To a more investor savvy brokerage learned a bunch of stuff there did my first wholesale first flip and kind of just evolved over the years into

buying apartments, storage, tons of flips, which if we touch on, I don’t ever want to do again, but I ended up buying a couple a year. shoot, we left DFW, came out here, started a brokerage, kept up with the wholesaling, started wholesaling some bigger commercial stuff, hotel, restaurants, mobile home parks, and now I’m just, I’m,

I like to say I’m concentrating on land, in reality I do land and manufactured homes primarily. That’s my main business. And I got that going pretty decently with my team of VAs. then a buddy of mine, we were like, well, what’s next? Again, the same buddy we were both getting in the real estate with, and we’re like, let’s go buy some businesses.

Brandon Richards (03:49.774)
He was gun-ho on the restaurant business, so I brokered a restaurant for him, so he’s enjoying that thing sometimes. And then to me it was, didn’t want a brick and mortar. I wanted something that was not location dependent, but I didn’t know what that was. So I just happened to be at a real estate networking event, a software broker, and I ended up in the same airport.

And one thing led to another. I bought a software company back last April called Deal Manager Pro and I’m loving it. I mean, it gives me a little bit of a new headache, I should say, because being in the real estate world, a lot of those marketing niches are vastly different. So I’m having to learn a lot of that as well some.

some coding and understanding what an API is and what a webhook is. so it’s given me something to do, but more importantly, it gives me freedom of location. So I can take this business anywhere in the world and still do what I love. And so that’s where I am now.

Mike Hambright (04:45.073)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (04:55.845)
Yeah, that’s awesome. So let’s kind of break some of that down a little bit. I want go back to like…

when you were doing carpet cleaning, very much were, I assume, owner operator, like you’re doing, you bought a job, right? And I think a lot of people in real estate end up that way too. And so talk about your movement into, let’s not talk about from carpet cleaning to real estate, because I get that, but moving around inside of real estate, like agent to investor to, from houses to more of a developer. Let’s just talk about like,

Brandon Richards (05:06.286)
Yep, 100%. Oh yeah.

Brandon Richards (05:20.066)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (05:28.719)
those decisions in your mind. Like sometimes it’s like, hey, in the market, this feels like it’s really hard. So as real estate investors, we often think the grass is greener. Like we see a shiny object like, I need to get into commercial, you know, that’s what I need. Right. And so, but talk about, cause I want folks that are listening to this to kind of hear the lessons here of why that made sense. And, and maybe even a little bit of your perspective on

Brandon Richards (05:35.116)
Yeah.

Brandon Richards (05:42.936)
right.

Mike Hambright (05:59.045)
did what you wanted to get out of it, did it solve that? And I guess maybe if you have any regrets about if you had just stayed focused on one thing, because I think sometimes people make moves because it seems like that’s easier, but nothing that’s worthwhile is easy, as you know, and there’s pros and cons, at least with everything. But just talk about kind of making those moves and in the vein of like freedom, which is what you ultimately want it is financially free, time free. So maybe just kind of go back and let’s analyze that a little bit.

Brandon Richards (06:02.328)
Mm-hmm.

Brandon Richards (06:10.978)
Yeah. All right.

Brandon Richards (06:27.842)
Yeah. In the beginning, I joined a networking group called Financial Friends, and I was able to connect with lot of people. But I remember I won an auction to go to a fellow investor’s office and learn his business. had a, from outside looking in, a pretty healthy business.

But when I toured his office, he at the time had 47 employees. And I just remember thinking there was two things that really caught my mind or caught my attention and stuck in my mind was he had a property management company that wasn’t profitable until he had more than 100 units under management. So I was like, no, property management is not for me. But moreover,

because he had so many employees and so many flips and so many projects going on, it wasn’t until like day 17 or 19th of the month that he would break even. His monthly expenses were so high, it took him almost three weeks to break even. And right there and then I was like, I never ever want to go down that hole. And so I started investing or learning about virtual systems, VAs. And so I stumbled through that in my first couple of years,

a team in the Philippines that was doing all my, I had them doing everything, everything from scheduling my direct marketing, my cold calling, my RVM, my mass texting, all of it. And then in DFW, as you know, that was roughly what, 2018? Dude, the competition was crazy. The wholesaling game was very, very difficult and it became more of a headache than I wanted. So I dialed back a little bit and I started getting more into flips.

And then I realized pretty quickly that flips isn’t what I want to do. mean, at the end of it, you pull up your net sheet and you’re like, I’m getting 32,000 back or 47,000 back. But if you actually track your numbers on Excel through the entire project, you’re like, well, I think I made like $6,000 maybe in the past three, four months.

Mike Hambright (08:32.049)
Why why why is that because of overhead and marketing expense stuff like that is out here?

Brandon Richards (08:38.414)
The what ifs, the oh shit moments. You pull out a vanity in the bathroom and some drywall comes with it and you’re like, oh, well there’s mold crap. Now that wall’s got to come down. Or you’re pulling up some tile and you realize that it had asbestos backing underneath the vinyl floor underneath. There’s all these things that inevitably come up. And so I learned pretty quickly to over budget my rehab. But even then, if I added five, 10, 15,000, I would still have projects go over. And so if

you are getting private money or hard money and you got a 70 % of ARV plus rehab funds and even if you got 100 % financing, if that bad boy goes over, it starts digging into your profits super quick. Every dollar is lost profit at that point. It became more than I wanted. Too much headache, too much hassle and I certainly wasn’t doing a lot of the things I wanted to be doing.

in my adult years. I wanted to be doing much more traveling and not so much, you the girls got home at four o’clock in the afternoon. We did the whole playtime, eat dinner, and then I get on computer until two in the morning. just, it was not healthy and I hated every moment of it. And so, one thing I regret not doing in the beginning, which I’m doing now is in the land is notes. I wish I would have done notes when I first learned about them in the beginning. It’s…

To me, it’s more passive aside from creating it and other transactional time and cost. It’s the most passive form of income outside of private lending. So I learned that I didn’t like rentals pretty quickly. I had some duplexes, apartments, and as a smaller portfolio owner, I was self-managing and it was an absolute nightmare. I certainly chose the wrong areas for one, but I realized that

I just didn’t want it. know, if, like I had somebody burn my, my, my dumpster one time, cause a drug deal wasn’t bad in one of the units. I’m like, what the hell is going on around here? just, so anyways.

Mike Hambright (10:41.829)
Yeah, you never had, I had somebody burn my house down the day they were getting evicted. So yeah, that was only one of several fires I’ve had, anyway. Yeah, it’s not passive and it’s not, but yeah.

Brandon Richards (10:46.894)
I remember that post. That’s horrible. Yeah.

Yeah. Something I guess more of a story. Uh-uh.

Yeah, the moral of story is as the years went on, like, well, I certainly have squirreled mind, know, get shiny object syndrome, but I was always trying to look for the next, not the next thing, but the one niche I could, that could really stick to because it gave me the time freedom I wanted. And that’s why after all these years of flipping and wholesaling that land,

is my numero uno. buying in three states right now and manufactured homes because there’s six contractors. There’s no what ifs. There’s no shits. It’s six contractors. It’s a very dialed in process. The budget’s the exact same every single time and it’s just about the most easy form of development there is.

Mike Hambright (11:46.577)
Yeah, I think, I mean, this is like evolution, right? And everybody’s different. you, there’s people that love rehabbing and there’s people that tolerate rentals or like, so everybody’s path is a little bit different, but this is like, you touch some hot stoves and you realized don’t touch that again, or it hurts when I do that. And so stop doing that, right? I mean, that’s kind of, I think the problem with real estate, I was just talking to, I almost.

Brandon Richards (12:02.904)
right.

Mike Hambright (12:11.921)
drop any names here, but a good friend of mine that everybody listening would know last week, we were at an event together and we were just talking about, there’s another guy there that’s in a, has a business that’s outside of real estate. And it’s like a very simple business. making a ton of money. He’s not over promising. He sells, you know, it kind of teaches people how to get into bookkeeping. Basically. And it’s like all these people are getting into it and their goal is to make 50 or a hundred thousand dollars a year. goal is to start a job really, but the promise is very simple and, he’s selling like selling like hotcakes, know, on the real estate.

Brandon Richards (12:35.853)
Right.

Mike Hambright (12:41.925)
kind of comparing it because he’s also a real estate coach and we were comparing it to real estate like everybody thinks they want to buy it and they’re gonna get rich overnight you know and but nobody wants not I’m gonna say nobody but most people don’t want to do the work they just think if I just pay for this thing then everything the the C’s part and I’m gonna get rich here it’s like no you still to do the work you’re gonna get punched in the face a bunch right and so but that’s how evolution works is you you try something and you learn from it and I think you know I talk a lot about

Brandon Richards (12:47.854)
you.

Brandon Richards (12:59.48)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (13:11.141)
this like you do too, like this fail forward, like failure’s not final. You just, it’s a stepping stone to success, right? But I think that’s how real estate isn’t probably everything. You have to like try something and if it doesn’t work, then do it differently next time and do it differently. And until you find your groove and that’s essentially what, what you’ve done, right?

Brandon Richards (13:28.47)
Right. Yeah. Well, I’m trying anyways, you know, I’m always experimenting with new things and

Mike Hambright (13:32.869)
Yeah.

Would it be easy to give up and say, I’m not doing any of this, I’m just gonna go back and get a job, or I’m just gonna settle for not living the life I want, and then sit there and have regrets for the rest of your life or whatever, but.

Brandon Richards (13:39.84)
Yeah.

Brandon Richards (13:46.166)
Right, mean you’re building multiple companies at once. You’re building a marketing company, you’re building an acquisitions and disposition leg of the same company. And even if you have a full on done for you marketing thing like Investor Machine,

You still gotta put in a ton of work. You’re still making sure you’re doing the calls, you’re building the report sellers, you’re getting the contracts, you’re evaluating the rehab, you’re sending out people to go take pictures and put lock boxes. It’s not an easy thing. You just gotta figure out what you wanna do. Choose your heart as they say.

Mike Hambright (14:22.703)
Yeah, yeah. So let’s talk about, then you, now you’ve, you’re rolling out a CRM that helps other real estate investors. And it’s, it’s interesting because you and I, you and I are not that different in the terms that we have service businesses now after being a real estate investor. And I could, I could name a hundred people that are in that vein in our industry, people that you would know too. And it’s like,

Brandon Richards (14:30.104)
Yep.

Mike Hambright (14:49.387)
After you’ve done, you’ve been, you know, I’ve been in the business for 16 years now and you just inevitably start to find something. You, you built this and the stuff that I’ve built was stuff that I needed for myself, but it’s like, I know other people need this too. And so sometimes people give service providers or coaches or whatever, like bullshit, by the way, there’s some bullshit coaches out there that have no business coaching. but for those that have been around for a long time, you realize like, Hey, partly I want to give back. Partly. I want to build a business that allows me to.

Brandon Richards (15:01.326)
Great.

Okay.

Brandon Richards (15:10.933)
Right, right.

Mike Hambright (15:19.261)
live the life I want to live. And partly is like, I’ve got a lot of knowledge in here from touching a whole bunch of hot stoves that I need to share with people so they don’t touch as many as I did and they can climb a learning curve faster. so inevitably you end up finding your way into businesses that serve others that you wish you had back when you were first starting or coming up, right?

Brandon Richards (15:30.86)
Yeah.

Brandon Richards (15:42.702)
Yeah, for me in the beginning, I was an Excel sheet guy.

that was in, you know, I don’t even know how to design a fancy Excel sheet. mean, I literally just plug and play it, but name, address, subject, email, address, phone number and email. And, you know, it’s just, it’s, it’s organized, but it’s not organized, you know, and there’s really no follow up unless you set some sort of, if this, then that sequence and it pumps into your, it pumps into your calendar. And then you move into Podio and you got some of the automations and some of the built out stuff, which we ended up doing. But,

there wasn’t, but you still had to do everything else on your own. You still have to go find other third party products to really put the whole system together. And so when this software company essentially fell in my lap, I was like, dude, this is kind of like the answer to what I needed in the beginning. And it’s not a done for you type of deal, but it really helps you stay in the game because I like to say that the what’s the phrase and I’m having a brain fart now. The gold is in the fallout for wherever the phrase is.

Mike Hambright (16:24.709)
right?

Mike Hambright (16:48.432)
Yeah.

Brandon Richards (16:48.592)
You know, lot of my biggest and best deals were from not just a couple weeks of follow-up, not even a few months, but years of follow-up. And if you don’t have some sort of system that’s telling you, hey, dingbat, call Ms. Smith because she told you to call here in April, 16 months ago. And a lot of those phone calls have gotten me, well, let me like the mobile home park that I told you a wholesale, it took me three years of follow-up. I mean, that was my biggest and most fun deal. I mean, it was really fun to do that deal.

said basically at the closing table that she accepted our offer although two hundred two hundred fifty thousand dollars lower than the others because I was the guy calling here every couple months for three years and I was just a normal dude and not some you know asshole I guess I’m calling out of the blue

Mike Hambright (17:37.009)
Yeah, not everybody’s like this. I honestly I like to buy like, sometimes I’ll buy stuff that I don’t need because I appreciated the effort in the sales process. I mean, that doesn’t make sense to sell a major has like a mobile home park, but not everybody’s like this. But I think a lot of people appreciate the attention they got like they appreciate that you really want. I mean, you’ve proven that you’re going to do what you say you wouldn’t be around if you weren’t otherwise. And, and I think we all have experienced businesses that

Brandon Richards (17:47.182)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (18:05.873)
I give this example out at our ranch. We’re doing a bunch of landscaping and I called who I thought was the biggest. This is not too far from Tyler, Texas. And so the biggest landscape company I could find in Tyler that, you know, had the most clout, the highest readings or whatever, whatever one reason I picked them and the owner himself was coming. I don’t know. It’s a company with a bunch of wrapped vehicles. So big enough to have a team, but the owner is actually going to come out to this one. And I had to follow up three or four times to get him there. And then

Brandon Richards (18:14.52)
Yeah.

Brandon Richards (18:28.846)
Hmm.

Mike Hambright (18:35.569)
He spent like an hour bidding. He’s got drones out flying around doing measurements with drones. I don’t know how any of that shit works. Never heard from the guy again. And I even followed up like two weeks later. I mean, this is like a six figure landscaping job. know, I mean, I don’t know what their profit margins are, but this is a bigger than usual job for them for sure. And I followed up like, Oh, sorry. He’s on vacation this week. I’m going to have him follow up on Monday. Never heard from him again. And what’s that?

Brandon Richards (18:40.514)
Hmm.

Brandon Richards (18:57.612)
Where’s his team at, you know? So where’s his team at handling when he’s on vacation? Yeah.

Mike Hambright (19:02.187)
Exactly. Well, yeah. And so, you know, it’s just it’s crazy how many people are terrible at answering the phone the first time and doing any sort of follow up. And I say it, it’s getting to point now where anybody that’s watching the show regularly is like, they hear me say this on every show is most businesses could double their profit easily, if not more, just by being better at lead and take and follow up. That’s it. Not spending another dollar on anything at all, just doing better at the things you’ve already got.

Brandon Richards (19:29.646)
Right. Yeah, I if you’ve got a decent pipeline of leads over the past six, nine months, following up with that pipeline over the next following couple of months, you could turn off the direct mail, the cold calling machine and still end the year pretty decently as long as your follow up is sufficient. And so that’s one of our things with Deal Manager is we’re integrating automated follow up processes. So if when Ms. Smith says, hey, I’m not ready to sell right now, but in April, give me a call, shoot me a message, an email, whatever it is.

Mike Hambright (19:47.419)
Yeah.

Brandon Richards (19:59.552)
I don’t have to think about it the system auto does it for me that way when I see a random message from Miss Smith saying thank you for the follow-up I’m like, oh shoot glad it did for me And so we’re getting that good rock and rolling and then you know tons of other cool things in there as well

Mike Hambright (20:10.833)
Yeah.

Yeah, and the real estate space, let’s be honest, whether it’s a junkie little house and somebody’s distressed or it’s a big property.

like a mobile home park or a big piece of land or something where people are, they’re apprehensive to let go. Like in their mind, they’re like, I probably need to sell it. But they’ve been distressed or thinking about it for years and real estate investors act like if it doesn’t happen today, it’s not gonna happen. It’s like, no, they’ve been thinking about this for a long time. And the only way you’re gonna continue, the only way you’re gonna get those deals like systematically is if you tap on their shoulder like constantly, right? You just gotta keep tapping, like don’t forget me, don’t forget me, I’m here to help you, I’m here to help you.

Brandon Richards (20:50.978)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (20:51.119)
And over time, they’re laying in bed at night thinking about it. Like their whole life that keeps popping into their head. And you want to be that person that’s popping into their head to say, okay, yeah, I probably need to do it this month or this year or whatever. And as they’re thinking about doing it, they’re seeing a picture of Brandon Richards on there, whoever you are, that they’re like, this is the person I’m going to work with ultimately. And they just are coming to terms with it so that when they pick up that phone for the last time, they’re like,

Brandon Richards (21:11.886)
Mm-hmm.

Mike Hambright (21:21.035)
I’m ready to go and you’re the guy. And from their side, they probably make that decision before they contact you. But if you’re not following up with them, they’re not thinking of you. They’re thinking of somebody else.

Brandon Richards (21:32.524)
Yeah.

Yeah, actually just remind me something I want to do in deal manager. So one of things we started doing about three, four months ago, is every single phone call that my VA is made that had a substantive, substantive commerce, whatever the words, we had a good conversation, we submitted an offer verbally or written and they didn’t accept it. We send out a thank you postcard immediately. So within six to nine days, they’re getting a postcard thanking them for the conversation. And it just, it just made I’m writing notes because now I’m gonna talk to my

my direct mail guy and I want to have it automated in Deal Manager so as soon as that conversation is done, shoots it out.

Mike Hambright (22:11.345)
Yeah, that’s cool. Yeah, we used to, when we were doing a lot of volume, single family, my acquisitions people would literally have a box of thank you cards with them. By the time the day was over, had, and literally we had them like stamps on them already. They had to just write it out and drop it in the mail. But if you do it.

You do it, it’s your business, you do it how you want, but we always tried to like, first off, add a business card. Well, it might be challenging if you’re doing it through automation, but add a business card in there, because you know, some of these houses we go into, folks don’t know where their car keys or maybe their teeth are at, let alone the business card that you gave them. But it’s also to kind of put something personal in there, you know, hope your mom gets well or whatever, like something that makes it sound like this person is thoughtful, you know?

Brandon Richards (22:33.827)
Yeah.

Brandon Richards (22:43.966)
Mm. Yep. Yep.

Brandon Richards (22:58.112)
Right. And that’s why I take thorough notes on the conversation because the idea of that first phone call is to gain some sort of trust and build some sort of rapport. And so that includes taking notes. So that way when you do send that personalized letter or postcard, it’s really personalized versus just some handwriting, handwritten font on there, just thank you. It goes a long ways. Those old school tactics work well.

Mike Hambright (23:18.021)
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. So you’re doing all this stuff, you’re figuring out what you don’t want to do and a little bit more of what you do want to do, and now you’re moving to Alaska. That is amazing, dude. So getting a little bit off the grid. By the way, you’re a pilot too, so you’re like, you you’re getting off the grid, right?

Brandon Richards (23:25.358)
You

Brandon Richards (23:39.438)
Well, I’m trying so we’ll stay somewhere near a major metro just so I can continue doing some business. But the idea is that we’ll have a coastal off-grid cabin and then an inner Alaskan off-grid last frontier cabin that you can only snow machine or fly into. Same deal for the coastal one can only boat or fly into. But really it’s just, these are all things I dreamt about as a kid.

I wanted to go to Alaska when I was a kid. I wanted to fly as a kid. I wanted to dirt bike as a kid. And now me and my buddies, we dirt bike around the whole world. We all have pilot’s license. We fly around, just do random stuff. And I was the one wanted to live in Alaska. So both my kids have moved out. They’re 18, 19 now. And I’m like, dude, there’s no better time than now, while I’m still young and I don’t have too many ailments, to go out there and really explore the last frontier. That’s just been a dream of mine since.

I was a young lad. it’s just been something I always wanted to do. And I’ve never lived near the ocean. Dude, every time my wife and I go to the ocean, dude, we’re just like, you don’t think about work anymore. You just, you just explore and enjoy nature. And that’s just what we want to do. And a lot of these moves we’ve made in the past years have allowed that. And that primarily the land notes and now the software business is allowing us to go out there and not work six, seven days a week. We’re gonna be able to work three, four or five days a week.

Mike Hambright (24:40.635)
Hahaha.

Brandon Richards (25:07.952)
You know, spend three, four days exploring Alaska, and that’s why we’re moving out.

Mike Hambright (25:12.465)
That’s amazing, yeah. I mean, that’s what it’s all for, right? You get to a point where you’re like, why are we doing this? Especially when think, my son’s 17, he’s gonna be done with high school this year, and we only have one kid, so you start thinking about like, what is this all for? I’m 50, so still young, but you’re like, there’s a runway here, and what am I gonna do with the rest of it?

Brandon Richards (25:28.355)
Yeah.

Brandon Richards (25:36.365)
Yeah.

Mike Hambright (25:36.995)
So it’s really important. I’m excited for you guys to go explore that. And by the way, you could always come back, right? Like if you hate it, you’re like, you know, you’re not stuck there. I have a feeling you won’t hate it.

Brandon Richards (25:48.098)
Yeah, I mean, I anticipate the winter’s being, right. I anticipate the winter’s being pretty difficult. We both love the cold, we love the snow. We love everything about the winter. That’s why we moved to Flagstaff. Last year we got 180 inches of snow in Flagstaff and we were just.

Mike Hambright (26:05.361)
Peace.

Brandon Richards (26:06.254)
we were loving it. know, we’re peas in a pod and we were just like, we just, we, we go walk around the snow when everybody else is trying to bundle up, we just go out and walk in the snow. So I don’t think the cold and the snow is going to be bothersome. The long dark days are probably going to be the issue there. And so we’re working on, um, uh, probably getting a place in Costa Rica for the winners and we’ll just hang out in the coastal regions of Costa Rica and the, and the winners and head back on up to, to Alaska in the summers and enjoy the beauty then.

Mike Hambright (26:36.465)
There you go, man. That’s awesome. So Brandon, folks tell us how folks can connect with you, you’ve got your podcast, you’ve got your deal manager CRM, like give us a couple links here where folks can go learn more about you.

Brandon Richards (26:48.078)
We’ll see around you can find that deal manager pro com I can be found on any social media platform You can just search my name or deal manager Pro or the OPF group, which is our investment firm The podcast is the fearless pursuit of freedom podcast. That’s on everything YouTube Spotify SoundCloud I heart radio everything

or you just shoot me an email. I’m happy to answer any questions. Brandon at dealmanagerpro.com.

Mike Hambright (27:18.499)
Awesome man, thanks for spending some time with me today. Good to have you on again. Yeah, and good luck with everything. Hopefully our paths will cross here soon before you take off to Alaska. Yeah.

Brandon Richards (27:20.514)
Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for having me on.

Brandon Richards (27:27.98)
Yeah, we’ll head out to Dalson.

Mike Hambright (27:30.159)
Awesome everybody. If you want more freedom in your life, you gotta follow folks that are kinda doing some of these things, right? So I encourage you to go learn more about Brandon and what he’s got going on. And hopefully this inspired you a little bit to, if you feel like you’re stuck in the monotony a little bit, to make sure you get a little more freedom in your life. So, appreciate everybody. We’ll see you on the next show.

Brandon Richards (27:50.584)
See ya.

Mike Hambright (27:53.787)
Cool man, good stuff. So, awesome dude, keep me posted. You’re moving in, did you say April?