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In this episode of the Real Estate Pros Podcast, host Micah Johnson welcomes Natasha Feghali, a seasoned real estate investor operating in Canada. Natasha shares her journey in real estate, focusing on her investments in multi-unit properties across Ontario, New Brunswick, and Alberta. She discusses her aspirations to branch into international markets, particularly in Georgia and the Middle East, while emphasizing the importance of stability and thorough research before making investment decisions. Natasha also highlights the significance of building a reliable team and the necessity of continuous education in the ever-evolving real estate landscape.
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Natasha E. Feghali (00:00)
There’s this like glamorization of being a landlord. I like to use the word investor, There’s this glamorization of it. There is nothing glamorous about this at all. And you’re gonna be managing your own property depending on your ROI. There’s nothing glamorous about a 3 a.m. phone call that the toilet has blown up. That there’s no glamor in that. So I find thatWe need to remove all these labels and all of the things that are floating around right now in social media and get back to the basics. Why is it that you want to do this?
Micah Johnson (02:08)
Hey everyone, welcome to the Real Estate Pros Podcast. I’m your host, Micah Johnson. And today I’m joined by Natasha, who’s been making some serious moves in real estate for quite some time now. Natasha, welcome in, glad to have you.Natasha E. Feghali (02:20)
Thank you so much for having me. It’s my pleasure, Micah.Micah Johnson (02:24)
Absolutely, absolutely. So let’s, I’m excited about our talk today. I think our listeners are really gonna take some value away from how you approach real estate and the way you’re just going about making sure you’re building the business that you want in this industry and working with the right people. So let’s dive in on that. For folks who may not know you yet, what’s your main focus right now and what markets are you operating in?Natasha E. Feghali (02:45)
So we operate out of three provinces in Canada, Ontario, New Brunswick and Alberta. My main focus is obviously continuing the trajectory of our investing. We would like to branch into international markets. This has been something I’ve been working on since 2020. Unfortunately, there were some world events that took place, which put a little lid on that. And we’ve hit a few rough spots along the way.which have deterred that. However, I’m hoping that in 2026 we can begin to enter that market. And I say we because I own my own properties, but I also work with passive and angel investors on other properties.
Micah Johnson (03:29)
What’s the property type that you’re predominantly investing in?Natasha E. Feghali (03:34)
So normally we invest in duplexes, triplexes, quads. Very rarely will I get into a single family, only because I believe that you should never be without income coming in. And if you have a single family and it’s vacant, then you gotta look for a tenant. you know, for that short while or long while, whatever it could be, there’s no cash flow. So I prefer multi-unit projects as opposed to single family.If it was a good project, I might entertain it, but I prefer multifamilies as well as I’ve done some private lending. We invest in REITs as well. Those are always excellent. Once they mature, we usually throw the money back in to continue investing in a different project or the same project that’s expanding.
Micah Johnson (04:20)
ThankGotcha. Love that. One thing about real estate is knowing the kind you want to do. And that’s the beauty of it. It’s a big umbrella of doing it how you want to do it. Finding that strategy that works for you makes your investors that work with you comfortable knowing, all right, we’re actually going to get this done. So that’s powerful. So you mentioned branching into some international markets. Any other particular ones you got your eyes on right now?
Natasha E. Feghali (05:36)
Yeah, actually, I’ve had my eye big time on Georgia, not Georgia, US, but Georgia in the caucuses. I’ve had my eye on them for a long time. They have a really low entry and then the payment plan is excellent. So I’ve had my eye on that for a long time. Of course, I’m always watching political situations first before doing any type of investing.As well as the US. The US is my neighbor. It’s my neighbor. It’s right next door. And I know there are wonderful opportunities that I’m always looking at and looking for listening to other investors and trying to see where and what would be the best fit for me. As well as, of course, like most investors, we all have our eye on the UAE, things that are happening, the UAE, Saudi, Qatar.
Oman, Bahrain, any ⁓ area of the Middle East. There’s a lot of investors investing there and it’s super easy to enter the market and the payment plans are bare minimum. So I keep my eyes, basically those are my top three. Of course, Turkey is on my list. I always look at Turkey to see what’s available, what projects have been completed, what does that look like, especially for foreign investors.
Micah Johnson (07:00)
What’s someone that would be interested in investing internationally like that? Where’s a good starting place? What questions do you need to get answered for yourself to know, hey, how do you actually do this? Because I believe education is the main part of real estate that you need to participate in. And it never stops. You need to be a lifelong learner in this industry because it’s always shifting and changing. So for someone looking in that direction, what’s something they should keep their eye on or make sure that they know for sure?Natasha E. Feghali (07:15)
Number one.Well, stability is always number one. You don’t want to put your money somewhere and then oops, there’s say political unrest because your money is going to be gone no matter what. So I always say look for what’s happening politically and then you need to do your homework. What is it that you want to do with that property? Is it by hold? Is it Airbnb? Is it ⁓ lease? You know, long-term lease.
What is it that you want to do? Because you’re not on the ground. So you have to put a lot of faith in other people who are in charge of your asset. And that makes a lot of investors very uncomfortable if they haven’t been doing it and if they don’t know what they’re doing or where they want to do it. So I would say the best thing to do is answer these critical questions. And then from that point, try to get into
groups or follow podcasts or people who are investing in those countries and reach out to them and see what they have done and how they are doing it and see if it’s a comfortable fit for yourself. And if it’s not, and especially if you’re a new investor, I definitely wouldn’t say to, you know, start looking internationally because you may never go there.
So you need to know what is your strategy that you want with this property. And secondly, if you are a new investor, start local first of all and do your homework. You need to educate yourself no matter where you’re going to put your money. You need to educate yourself because we work very hard for that money. So the most important thing is to know what is it that you want to do, especially in the beginning for first time landlords. I find especially right now, Mika, that
There’s this like glamorization of being a landlord. I like to use the word investor, of being an investor. There’s this glamorization of it. There is nothing glamorous about this at all. And you’re gonna be managing your own property depending on your ROI. You may be managing your own property. There’s nothing glamorous about a 3 a.m. phone call that the toilet has blown up. That there’s no glamor in that. So I find that
We need to remove all these labels and all of the things that are floating around right now in social media and get back to the basics. Why is it that you want to do this? What is it that you want to do with it? And how do you want to scale yourself? And what is your projection long term? You just want to buy one property for your kids, for yourself, something you want to buy and sell. What is it that you want to do?
Or do you want to grow? And I suggest always you should grow very slowly and take your time as you’re educating yourself to become more familiar. Because laws are always changing. We know that interest rates are fluctuating. And if you do want to go international, you really need to educate yourself on where you’re going. And you should probably visit that country and visit job sites and completed projects.
Micah Johnson (10:32)
Great.Natasha E. Feghali (10:47)
of whatever developer it is that you want to invest with.Micah Johnson (11:26)
And that makes sense. And a lot of times it’s the same. It’s really the same advice for what you’re going to do locally. But in my mind, I’m thinking about it. Bertha is going to get a, you know, your undergrad degree versus your master’s degree and PhD, right? Like that’s that there’s some, there’s some things that are basic to the industry itself. And then there are others that are completely nuanced to their location, making sure you got that ground floor built in there. And it’s already stressful, right? Like it’sNatasha E. Feghali (11:33)
yeah.Yeah, that’s it.
Mm-hmm.
Micah Johnson (11:56)
That’s something a lot of folks don’t understand until they get out there and do it that an entrepreneur with a smile on their face doesn’t mean they’re not got a little stress inside. There’s, there’s a little bit of it going on. They just might handle it better because there’s, are risking things. You are dealing with other people. There’s someone living in your house, right? Like, and you can’t control everything about it. There’s difference and there’s always going to be something that’s going to happen. You’re never going to have a whole career in it and not have the horse story.Natasha E. Feghali (12:00)
Mm-hmm.Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Micah Johnson (12:25)
It’s just part of it. So like if you’re wishing to not have that, ⁓ start, like you were saying, meet people and talk to people who’ve gone through it. Cause what you’ll find is one, you usually making it bigger than it is 99 % of the time. Once someone shows you, this is all you got to do. This, this is what you have to do. This is the part that’s got to fix it. And a part you were leaning into, I think is important. There’s you’re really mentioned you’re building your team is what you’re doing. You are getting out there.Natasha E. Feghali (12:39)
Yes.Micah Johnson (12:52)
and putting people in your corner and in your tool belt because nobody can close a real estate deal alone. Nobody, nobody works all the jobs that are connected to doing it. Right. Like there’s, there’s so many people involved in closing a deal that if you don’t start by just meeting people, you’re never going to close a deal. You’re, going to get stuck in so many parts of the process. And if you don’t even know where to turn, then you’re going to get frustrated. And that could leave you, lead you to leave in the industry.Natasha E. Feghali (12:59)
⁓ no, absolutely not.That’s right.
Mm-hmm.
Micah Johnson (13:22)
And like you were saying a second ago, when you know what you’re trying to do and why you’re trying to do it, don’t let something silly keep you and your family from the life that you were always hoping for. I take the time to learn, get, you know, there was a, can’t remember who said this on a podcast I listened to recently, but however you’re long, you’re planning to do something. Use a quarter of the amount of time studying it. Make sure you’re learning. You know, if you’re going on a one year vacation, study where you want to go for four months.Don’t just leave town and hope like, what are you actually going to go do? Think about it, put a plan together. And I think a lot of entrepreneurs don’t feel like they’re doing anything until they’re making offers, but I really try to encourage them. Every conversation that you have, that’s part of the process. Every person you can go meet, that’s part of the process. the buying a house is here. There’s like 35 steps before the part where you actually get the house and you got to do all those. You don’t get the skip.
Natasha E. Feghali (14:23)
the house is the easy part. That’s the easy part. Anybody can buy a house. That’s the easy part. It’s everything else that is extremely tedious and difficult and litigious. And we, yourself and myself, we live in very litigious societies. So you need a team because things can go very wrong.Micah Johnson (14:25)
Right?Thank you.
you
Natasha E. Feghali (14:52)
and can cost you a lot of money, and it has happened to me, not once, but many times, when you think that you know, but you don’t know. And you think you can close, but it’s a holiday and nothing’s open and you’re trying to fax something and you miss that deadline by a few minutes and now you’re charged that fee because it’s in the contract and you missed the deadline.So there are many areas that we are unaware of because it’s something we’ve never done before. We’re doing it. mean, yourself and myself, now we have a lot of skin in the game. It’s different. But for a new landlord without a proper team and proper consultation, you will make a lot of mistakes that can cost a lot of money. And Mika, I’ve actually bought three houses off of two different distressed landlords.
that were like, just take this, get it off my hands, I can’t do this no more. And you cannot let it get to that point. And it happens, people do get to that point because we’re only human. And you become very stressed out, you’ve got a lot of money invested. And you you may have a tenant who’s gone rogue or you may have bought a dilapidated property, but there were some things that you didn’t know and you took the walls down. ⁓
Micah Johnson (15:57)
It’s quite popular.Natasha E. Feghali (17:02)
There’s mold in the walls. There’s asbestos. Nobody’s told you that. So there’s so many different moving parts. And as you said, we’re investors. There’s always this cloud of rumination behind us of all these things that are going on. But you see us and we’re like, hey, how are you? How’s the day going? You want to get a coffee? Even though in our heads, it’s like all these things that are roaming that have to get done.suggest that individuals be prepared for that if that’s what they want.
Micah Johnson (17:37)
I like it to when people used to ask me after my daughter was born, you know, like, what’s it like to be a dad? First off, I tell them, well, it’s extremely hard. It teaches you how selfish you are. You want to see like all the bad things about yourself? Become a parent. Let the light get shown on you and go through this. However, I wouldn’t change it for the world. it, what it forces you to become, what it makes you do.Natasha E. Feghali (17:57)
That’s right.Micah Johnson (18:05)
Right? Like it really challenges you in some deep spots, but I’m not going to sugar coat it for you. It’s great. And it’s hard. And that’s okay. One thing I teach my kids now, hard equals good. Everything you want’s on the other side of hard. Everything. And if you’re going to let that part not let you get there, you’re really not going to get anywhere. You have some different issues that you’re going to have to deal with before then. Cause like you said, one of my favorite quotes I’ve learned in the entrepreneur world is by Virginia Satir.Natasha E. Feghali (18:27)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.Micah Johnson (18:35)
Most people prefer the certainty of misery to the misery of uncertainty. And entrepreneurs seem to live well with the misery of uncertainty. That’s why we can handle the stress and the gap because we’re okay with it. That’s the secret. It’s okay. It might be going wrong. It might not be going how I hope right now, but that doesn’t mean it’s not okay. It just means I have this problem to solve. It’s not about me. It’s not personal.Natasha E. Feghali (18:43)
That’s a good one.yes.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Micah Johnson (19:05)
It’s just part of what I’ve chosen to do. Actually, this is a book I highly recommend that taught me a lot about that. I’m not going to read it out loud on the thing. this book right here, he talks about that. Like no matter what you choose, you’re choosing the hard parts of it too. So choose your hard, choose it, or it doesn’t matter. Everything’s hard. Pick the hard you want to experience. And that was really, like really helpful in the beginning because itNatasha E. Feghali (19:13)
⁓ yes. Yes, excellent.That’s right.
Micah Johnson (19:34)
It’s easy to just want it to be easy. And especially in the social media world that we see, right? Everything you buddy, you see, this is how you do it. It’s so easy, nothing ever happens. And it’s just not that way. It is not that way. Whether it’s your first deal goes great, doesn’t matter. If you stay in the game long enough, you’re gonna start to experience these hiccups where again, it challenges you. What kind of person are you? How do you handle hard? How do you handle questions? How do you handle going to sleep not knowing, right?Natasha E. Feghali (19:37)
⁓ with everything!it.
Micah Johnson (20:03)
You got to be able to sleep at night with that uncertainty just fine. Like, okay, I’ll figure it out when I figure it out. It’ll, it’ll finally get to me. And that was a, you know, you don’t come to those lessons cheap, Natasha, unfortunately, you got to go through enough to kind of grow that thick skin. But that’s what actually happens after a while is you’re, you’re toughened up to it. You understand it. It’s not unexpected anymore, right?Natasha E. Feghali (20:11)
Mm-hmm.After so many years, you expect it. You know it’s coming and you plan for it. And then there are some uncertainties that happen, of course. There are some real anomalies that take place. But those are few and far in between if you are doing your homework and you are relying on a team and you are listening to the feedback. We don’t like it. It’s uncomfortable.
You don’t want to hear someone tell you you’re absolutely wrong. That’s not how you do it. What have you done? You filled this paper out wrong. And that happens to me all the time, actually. And my paralegal, the legal team, they have to go in and correct everything. I have ⁓ a huge team. And I also talk to and work with other investors. And I lean on people. And I hire them.
because somebody once told me, you don’t know everything, you need to hire people to do the things you don’t know how to do. Because we’re not a specialist at everything, you know, and ⁓ I’m a teacher by vocation, so I’m not a lawyer. I need a lawyer to help me and I’m okay with that and I’m comfortable paying for it because good help is not cheap, truthfully. And I don’t see other investors as my competition.
I don’t see other property managers because I also manage for international investors in my local area. I don’t see them as my competition. A matter of fact, I give them work because I can only take on so much. I call it like my boutique project, managing for other international investors.
I actually can’t take on a large number of clients even if I wanted to because I have a very busy life with a lot of moving parts, moving pieces. And so I will give that work to others. And I see them as my peers, as my mentors, as teachers, especially some other property managers that I’ve worked with. They have a lot of skin in the game and a lot of knowledge and they have helped me so much.
And I always look to seek to help others too. And I always lead personally for better or for worse, I always lead with the ugly so that they know, you know, this could happen. You’re buying a, you know, multi-use project. ⁓ Let’s say the roof goes, do you know how much is a tar roof? Can we talk about that? And people are very uncomfortable with the ugly. I know that. But I…
feel that my mentors have always led with the ugly and they have given me the thickest of skins. So I feel that I like to give that as well so that we know what’s coming. There’s always the good days when you don’t have any phone calls, you’re out for dinner, no one calls you. But there’s a lot of days where you’re out for dinner and you gotta get up and leave. That’s it, you’re self-managing a property and right now the snow.
Micah Johnson (23:13)
same.Right.
Natasha E. Feghali (23:38)
where I’m from, the snow was so bad that it took the shed down. And somebody’s got to get there, and that somebody is you.Micah Johnson (23:47)
This coach I work with, refers to that idea as allegiance capital. Whether you’re telling somebody a bad thing or a good thing, telling somebody what they’re fixing to experience, when they actually experience it, it has way less of an effect in terms of negative on them because they’re like, ⁓ this is what was supposed to happen. Natasha said this would happen, so this is okay. that is just a simple mindset shift like that is…could be revolutionary to your business and your success in doing this. Because it’s true, just knowing, that’s why I’m big on mentors. I’m in that same camp with you. Surround yourself with people. If you’re the coolest person you know, you need to get out more. That is my advice. Put people around you that know more than you, know different things than you, that can help you become the rounded person you have to be, because you can’t do this alone.
Natasha E. Feghali (24:25)
Mm-hmm.Micah Johnson (24:45)
Nobody does it alone. That’s kind of the big idea. Fars in the, in the space is the self-made thing. Nobody self-made anything. If someone was doing it all by themselves the whole time, they would not get very far. They would just make mistake after mistake after mistake, maybe stay in the game. But the folks I know that are the highest level now, they learned from somebody. Someone put, took them under their wing and said, Hey, you could avoid about five years of issues if you justNatasha E. Feghali (24:47)
Mm-mm.Micah Johnson (25:14)
do this instead of do that. Dang, thanks, appreciate that. And it’s like, that’s how we all learn and grow. And you nailed it. Get over being wrong. That’s something I’m trying to teach my kids early right now is dad’s wrong. Dad is wrong. He can get things wrong. It doesn’t make it bad. It’s okay. Adjust.If I didn’t know I was wrong, couldn’t go learn. It’s literally how I got to walk. Like if you’re upset about getting things wrong, you never would have learned to walk. You’d still be pitching a fit laying on the floor somewhere, right?
Natasha E. Feghali (25:46)
Yeah,yeah. It’s I’m a teacher, right? So mistakes are welcomed. That’s how we learn from making these mistakes. And nothing is done in a silo, nothing ever. You know, as you said, parenting, it’s not done in a silo. Investing is definitely not done in a silo. You are calling the bank, you’re calling your legal team, you’re calling your insurance, and you’re calling your realtor, other realtors, you know.
you’re working with other investors, you’re talking with passive investors, you know, you’re going to meetups, to conferences, and all of these things combined lead you to where you want to be and to what it is you want to do. And that goes with every career, every idea, anything at all. You know, when you go to the pool, you obviously need to learn how to swim first. And you do that through a teacher, through a coach, through a mentor.
And somebody takes you there when you’re small, your parents or your grandparents or your guardian, whomever. And so it’s the same in real estate. And people can enter. And it’s easier than some people think. And sometimes it’s harder than some people imagined it would be. And like yourself, ⁓ a lot of my mentors have been what we would call old timers.
They’re very rough around the edges and they give it to me straight, like it or not. And I have learned to accept that feedback and I’ve learned to not take things personally. I understand that I own a property right now that people live in. These are not just boxes on land. There are human beings that are living inside of them.
do I wanna live that way? If not, then I shouldn’t let others live that way. And I take pride in my properties and ensuring that they are safe, that they are livable, and that the people who are living in them are aligned and that it’s harmonious. And so I think that for a lot of us who are investors and who have properties, we are…
the affordable housing providers. That is who we are, you know, although we get quite a bit of different disrespect, both in the United States and in Canada, there’s this major black cloud around being an investor. And there have been some rotten apples, but I would say a lot of people are just trying to do the right thing and want to do the right thing for their tenants.
Micah Johnson (28:11)
Right.I would say it’s the majority. The statistics in America, the number one investor in America is the mom and pop. They own three to five houses. That’s the number one. And I have cold called and talked to people all over this country trying to buy their properties and get into conversations with people. I’ve owned this house for 30 years. The same 10 has been in there for 25.
and their rent’s been this for a long time and it does what I needed to do. It allows them to stay in there and this is why I do this. And it was some of my favorite conversations, whether I bought the house or not, because it was that true heart of what you’re actually doing. And really on that community level, right? On social media and stuff, you don’t see small town investors. You’re not seeing the number one person. You’re seeing huge markets. You’re seeing LA, New York, Tampa down here, know, Florida’s a popular one, Miami.
Natasha E. Feghali (29:05)
Mm-hmm.Yes.
Micah Johnson (29:24)
You’re seeing places where there’s just millions of people and it’s these huge markets and you’re just, know, hustle, hustle, hustle, do all this stuff where fine, if that’s what you want to do, that’s okay. That’s a big umbrella. You can do that, but that is not what most people are doing. Not at all. Most people are not full-time real estate investors. The amount that are do this as a business is so tiny. It’s such a tiny niche of them. And they’re some of my favorite people because what they can do, most people can’t do.Natasha E. Feghali (29:39)
No, no, no.Micah Johnson (29:53)
Can you revive a house from just bones and put a family in it? Nope. Most people can’t do that. They can’t go in there and solve these kinds of problems. And that’s where it kind of in that in between of what you see versus the reality of what’s really happening. The good ones get tossed out, right? Negative is what really gets amplified a lot lately.Natasha E. Feghali (30:01)
Mm-hmm.Micah Johnson (30:14)
You know, there was even here in America, there was something said that they’re going to keep institutional buyers out of the market. They’re buying. And I was talking with a data provider last week on a show in the quarter three of 2025. There were I’m to use even numbers to make it simple. One million houses sold in America. 50 or 4,400 of them or 4,600 of them were bought by the large buyers.And they sold 5,600 of them. So all in all, they divested more than they bought. They are not the most biggest and most popular thing. It is the small investor. It is folks who have been doing this a long time. Their grandfather taught them how to invest. The old advice, buy the neighbor’s house. As soon as you can, buy the neighbor’s house. When they want to move, buy that house and start there so that now you’re
literally just expanding out from where you live, creating your empire, your little way that you’re gonna make sure you have the life you want, your family has the life that you’re hoping for, you leave the legacy behind that you want. It doesn’t have to be some huge business. doesn’t have to be huge. Scale is the buzzword. That is for very few people. most may not like to hear that, but the idea of scaling stuff.
You need to be very intentional with that because unless you want the problems that come with it, you may not want that. And that’s what a lot of my friends went through, thought they wanted that big business only to realize I want to do 20 to 30 deals a year and not a hundred deals a year and have way less overhead, way more of my life back and actually accomplish what I came into the industry for.
Natasha E. Feghali (31:58)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No, Micah, you’re 100 % right. The house across the street came for sale and my mom was like, buy the house across the street. Buy the neighbor’s house. And I should have because it went for nothing. And now it’s like up 200 grand. And that happens too. You miss opportunities. You know, I missed an opportunity in 2013 in Barrie, Ontario, when Barrie was nothing. There was like, ⁓ it was a small town, you know, small city.Micah Johnson (32:05)
Hahaha!Peace.
Natasha E. Feghali (32:28)
And I met a real estate agent. He said, you know, we got a condo development going up. They’re going for like 50 grand. I was too young. I didn’t you know. I always say if I would started in my early 20s, I’d be sitting with you in Florida. ⁓ But I didn’t know. And that happens. We miss opportunities all the time. And you don’t have to be at scale. That’s a big problem right now that I find a lot of young people have.again, because I teach young people, is that everything’s got to be big and lucrative and grandiose. No, that’s not how most of life is happening. You can start small just as a small investment. And then if you don’t like it, you can hold it or stop, or you can keep going. Whatever your comfort level is, not everything needs to be this grandiose show. All of us have started small, you know, and
Like you said, my grandparents did this on both sides. So I was kind of born into it. But I started on my own and then I grew a bit bigger and a bit bigger. And through my journeys, I have met people who were only in this to make money. And let me tell you, as you said, it’s a very small percentage of people and none of them are doing it anymore. And if they are,
It’s very minute or they have shifted into becoming an insurance broker or a mortgage broker or working in the industry in a way different capacity.
Micah Johnson (34:00)
Right. it’s a real estate to get rich slow scheme. If you will approach it that way, you will approach it that way and realize that I still want to add. If you buy that first one, I like the way you said that you always reserve the right to change your mind. Never forget. You always reserve the right to change your mind. So you buy that first property, sit with it for a little bit. Do you actually enjoy this? If you do, do the next one. And if it’s still going, do the next one. I tend to find anNatasha E. Feghali (34:03)
⁓ very slow.Mm-hmm.
Micah Johnson (34:29)
I saw the two year mark. If you will stay in real estate longer than two years, you’ve got the itch. It’s got you. You’re probably gonna stay in it for a long time. But those first two years are really where you kind of get baptized with fire of do you really wanna do this? And when you get through those, can, yes I do or no I don’t, and just kind of pivot your own way. There’s no right or wrong.Natasha E. Feghali (34:35)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.Micah Johnson (34:54)
And I think when folks can enter it that way without having that idea that if it’s not huge, it’s a failure, you’re gonna be successful. You’re gonna be way more successful. There’s only, actually I had this conversation earlier, paint’s been around for a long time, been able to be an artist for a long time, and only how many Da Vinci’s have there been? How many…Natasha E. Feghali (35:18)
yeah!Micah Johnson (35:19)
van Goghs have there been not many that even though it’s there, not many become that whole thing. But how many artists are actually out there? Millions. There’s millions out there. So if you want to be DaVinci, OK, go do what he did. It’s not a mystery as to how to build big old things, but you got to go do all the things that build big old things. And what I remind people of my favorite example is Amazon. Amazon only sold you books for nine years. Only books.for nine years and now they can sell you everything. That was not by accident. They showed you, I can deliver a book faster than anybody. And once you believe they’ll deliver a book faster than anybody, well, now you’ll deliver anything faster than anybody. But it took nine years to prove it, right? And it’s that, you’re getting into something that’s gonna take a while. You’re gonna feel like rushing. Entrepreneurs are already in a hurry. We like to be in a hurry for some weird reason.
Natasha E. Feghali (35:49)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
That’s right.
yes.
Micah Johnson (36:19)
There’s zero way to rush a real estate deal. Just a heads up. I’ve tried all the ways. are zero ways to rush a real estate deal. And once you get that, I think you get a lot of your life back, especially after that two year mark where you start to realize, okay, I use a lot of energy, just kind of blowing it out as team for stuff that doesn’t matter. ⁓ okay, Natasha, I’ve really, really enjoyed our conversation. We got to wrap it up here. For those.Natasha E. Feghali (36:27)
I know, me too.It’s my pleasure,
actually.
Micah Johnson (36:45)
Absolutely. For those that have been joining or listening along with us, if they’re interested in learning more about you, finding out more about you, what’s the best way for them to find you?Natasha E. Feghali (36:53)
Yes, absolutely. So I am on social media and I have the same handle for all of it, all of my socials and it’s at N.E. Feghali which is my last name, F.E.G.H.A.L.I. and that’s also my business name, which is Fagali Group Inc. And you can find me on socials under that ⁓ under that title as well.Micah Johnson (37:16)
Excellent. you’re watching and listening, you’ll be able to find Natasha’s info in the show notes. Reach out to her, follow along, see what she’s got going on. Again, I appreciate you being here. I think we need more folks in the industry like yourself. Getting it to people straight, letting them know what’s it’s not anybody can do this. You can be successful, but there’s a formula to it. I really appreciate that. If you’ve gotten value out of this.Natasha E. Feghali (37:29)
Thank you.That’s right. That’s right. Thank you so much.
Micah Johnson (37:40)
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