Transforming Struggles into Success: The Immigrant Entrepreneurs Journey

Brett McCollum (00:00.599)
All right, guys, welcome back to the show. I am your host, Brett McCollum. Today I’m here with Erik Timmermans. And today we’re going to be talking about how he went from food stamps to a seven figure portfolio. But before we do, guys, at Investor Fuel, we help real estate investors, service providers, and real estate entrepreneurs to 5x their businesses to allow them to build the businesses they’ve always wanted and left the lives they’ve always dreamed of. Without further ado, Erik, how are you?

Erik Timmermans (00:25.814)
Wonderful. Thank you so much for having me.

Brett McCollum (00:27.823)
Man, I am so excited to be on the show. I got to know you a little bit here before we hit record. And guys, I have news for you. You’ve probably heard me say it before, but this is gonna be a good one. Erik, before we get into all the things, and we will, can you do us a favor, kind of back up, rewind, tell us a little bit about yourself. Who’s Erik Timmermans?

Erik Timmermans (00:46.67)
Erik Timmermans, I was born in 1981 in the Netherlands over in Europe. So that’s where you hear my accent from. And did a study in recreation. So ended up in the paradise of entertainment Orlando, right? Close to Disney. Was there from 2004 to 2006, met my wife there. And my

At that point I had a work visa, so it came to an end. I moved back to Amsterdam. My wife followed me. Three years later, she decided that the rainy weather and the overcast was not for her. She needed the blue skies and the sunny weather that we have here in North Carolina. So we moved in 2009. 2009, sorry, we got married and in 2011, we moved back to her place in Raleigh. So I’ve been here since 2011.

Um, and, uh, we, I did a W2. I became a recruiter, a recruiter for a great company. It was my W2. I loved it, but we ended up on food stamps because we have a daughter that is now 13. It feels like she was born yesterday, but, uh, she’s 13 years old. And in 2015, we got twin boys and we decided that we didn’t want anybody else raising our kids, but we should raise our kids. So my wife stayed home.

And that ended up costing us that we ended up on food stamps. couldn’t make, we couldn’t just make the bills anymore. And at that point, somebody said to me, you should go into real estate. And of course I looked at that person, like I saw water burning because with $50 in my name, I knew that with $50 real estate was much cheaper, of course, in 2016, much cheaper than, it is now, but not $50 cheap, right? So I figured out a way I started listening to podcasts, podcasts.

similar to this that have a lot of inspiration and have a lot of speakers there. And I learned a way that you can use OPM, other people’s money. So, that’s really when we get started. we, we, we, last eight years we built a portfolio with rentals. We have some, new bills that I’m doing. said last year, I said I was becoming a builder. That was May of last year. And, right now in, in this May,

Erik Timmermans (03:10.926)
I have 13 new builds going on and I do several flips. Like I said, I’ve got three kids. My daughter’s 13. My boys, twin boys are 10 years old. We live here in North Carolina and I work. That’s my new thing that I did this year. I’m proud of. I work Monday through Thursday and don’t do anything on Friday. That means sometimes I have to work on Saturday morning, but yeah, that’s my new thing. Trying to work less and do more.

Brett McCollum (03:32.505)
Hey there.

Brett McCollum (03:39.409)
That’s the dream right there too. Yeah, man, very cool. I want to go all the way back. This is really cool. So, all right. It’s interesting, by the way. Do you know that I talk to people all over the country and it’s such a blessing to be able to like meet different people. More and more I’m talking with immigrants to the US and said immigrants have consistently

Erik Timmermans (04:04.526)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (04:08.739)
It’s a wild how much success follows that. And I’m sure that there’s a percentage that aren’t successful, obviously, just saying anything. man, you see it all the time. It’s just like, yeah, I’m from here. I’m like, wow.

It’s just so cool to see. Wanted go back to that time. You moved here from back from Amsterdam. It’s 2011. Is that correct? And you moved back to the Raleigh area. When you did that, did you guys have come when you were you were coming home to wife’s home rather you coming back? Were was this premeditated like we knew we were coming back or was this kind of something that happened suddenly? Or what was that like back then?

Erik Timmermans (04:54.602)
I was, so my parents, my brother and sister, I’m the oldest of four kids. They’re all there. And my father is an entrepreneur. He had a cleaning business for about hundred people. And when I was going back, I was projected to take that over. We were in a timeline that I was going to take that over. And so it was very abrupt and it was not planned.

So we literally packed our bags or we announced in January that we were moving back. My wife moved back in May of that year and I moved in June. So it was very like, hey, she was very unhappy there. Just again, the weather and just wanted to be with her family here. it was not planned. But something that I absolutely don’t regret because when you talk about

Brett McCollum (05:32.74)
Okay.

Erik Timmermans (05:51.118)
immigrants, right? I think that if I look back, would I have the same opportunity in my country? I don’t think so because if you’re for me, if you’re born somewhere, you have certain ideas in your head that might prevent you from doing a certain thing for me, real estate, right? Like you need to have a lot of money to get into real estate where if you go to a different country, you have no idea what the rules are. have

You have no pre-notions. There’s certain things that you don’t know that you do, that you find out by doing. that’s how it worked for me here in America. I find out a lot of things by doing. And that’s what I tell a lot to people that want to get into real estate and they’re focusing more on the business side than picking up deals. Amazon started in the garage. Amazon didn’t know that Amazon was going to be Amazon that Amazon is today. So don’t think about

Brett McCollum (06:27.963)
Sure.

Erik Timmermans (06:49.43)
Like of course have a goal where you want to go, but don’t try to be Amazon from the, as Amazon is now from the day you start, let there be time for you to grow your business and learn stuff. that’s, that’s how I think that a lot of, or a lot, that foreigners or immigrants can be successful because they just don’t know certain things and they learn that on, while they go.

Brett McCollum (07:12.677)
Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, that’s interesting. Yeah, so I have to ask, you know, made, and I apologize if I’m stepping a little too far when I say this, you made mention that your wife, she was unhappy over there. Isn’t it supposed to be like the happiest people in the world over there? That’s what I’ve always heard.

Erik Timmermans (07:31.554)
it is so, although that if you move to the Netherlands, you have like the government makes you learn the language by providing you education. You have to go to the university and learn the Dutch language. But if you are at a party and everybody’s speaking Dutch and everybody’s speaking Dutch in a, like, like in the slang and it goes fast, it is hard for you to pick up. Quickly, the Dutch, if they hear an accent, they start, they start talking English to you.

Brett McCollum (07:42.874)
Okay.

Brett McCollum (07:55.099)
Sure.

Erik Timmermans (07:59.862)
So yeah, it’s really hard for you to pick up and learn the language. So it, it, it became a little bit of an isolation because, you know, like if I’m hanging out with my friends, I’m not going to speak English because my wife wants to, can’t understand them. Right. So it was a little bit of an isolation as well. Yeah.

Brett McCollum (08:15.749)
That makes a lot of sense, yeah. That makes a lot of sense. I thought it was like, I’ve always heard, this is the happiest people on the war. Yeah, very cool. All right, so it’s, you have your daughter and then you have the twins, okay? So twins are born. You’re working at W2 at the time, is that correct? Yeah, and then make the decision. Hey, mom’s staying home. Before you…

Erik Timmermans (08:33.848)
Yup, yup.

Brett McCollum (08:45.445)
Let’s talk about this, because we did the very similar thing. So I identify very strongly with this. I want to ask you what your, with that, I know for us, it was a tough decision. It was like, we kind of walked it back a couple of times mentally. Like, are we sure we want to do this? How was that process for you guys back then?

Erik Timmermans (09:04.749)
So we had a goal and what I forgot to tell you when I set that goal, I was 36 and I said at age 40, I will retire, which by the way I did. But in those four years, you have to understand that I worked at W2 and because I was in charge of European customers, I worked at W2 from 6 to 3, 6 a.m. to 3 p.m. because

You know, my clients are over in Europe. I was in a recruiting, I was in the clinical research space. So, um, I had to deal with clients over in Europe, over in the UK. Um, so I worked from, I left the house at 4.30, went to the gym. Was at work at six o’clock, worked until three o’clock in that job. Then three o’clock jumped in my car. And the good thing about real estate is real estate doesn’t wake up until three, two, three o’clock in the afternoon anyway. Like if you’re a realtor.

Brett McCollum (09:59.824)
Yeah, yeah.

Erik Timmermans (10:01.826)
And all the realtors are of course going to message me after I say this, but if you’re a realtor, can, you can sleep in every day because it goes later, right? It’s after work hours. So three o’clock I would jump in my car. would start driving to the properties, driving to my flips, driving to my, meet up with people that had money because I didn’t have money. So I had to find money and, and just, you know, walking properties with my realtor. So sometimes I wouldn’t even come home until seven, eight o’clock. And then when I came home, would put my kids to bed.

And straight until 10 o’clock would sit behind my computer, evaluating deals. So it wasn’t, it wasn’t incredibly tough time for our marriage and the decision almost has cost us our marriage. But because it is, it is often really hard. If you’re in that grinding space, if you’re in that, in that, in that, Hey, I want, I need to grind as a man, want to provide for your family. You want to, Hey, Hey, you want, or at least I wanted to do that. it’s.

Brett McCollum (10:35.441)
Sure.

Erik Timmermans (11:00.31)
I dedicated all my time, my weekends and everything to growing the business. But what I did is the money I made, I didn’t put that back in my family. I put it back in my business. So for the first four five years, my wife’s never, never sold the benefits and was very, very patient with me. but again, it was a very challenging period for our, for our marriage as well, because, I knew, I knew what we were achieving. And now of course she sees it and we’re.

And we’re much in much better space and we were reaping all the financial benefits of the decisions we made then. But it was hard because my partner saw me working hard, didn’t see that back in the bank account.

Brett McCollum (11:43.727)
Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, that’s a tough season for sure. And obviously we talked pre-show and like we’ve been through that. And when your wife is struggling with this thing that you’re doing doesn’t show me that right now. And by the way, until your wife stayed home raising the kids, you homeschool, we do the same thing. My wife homeschool stays home and she’s looking at the bank account going, what are we doing here? Why are we doing this? You know, it’s hard. It absolutely is hard. And then time wise, right? Like where

Erik Timmermans (12:05.9)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Brett McCollum (12:13.651)
you’re all of your time is also going to that. man, do I resonate with that strongly? Cause it’s a, and we tell ourselves, by the way, I’m doing it for you. I’m doing it for the kids. You know, and we, and we are, but we are, we’re like, that’s how we’re built.

Erik Timmermans (12:27.406)
Exactly. Yeah. Isn’t that the biggest lie?

Part of it.

Brett McCollum (12:35.921)
You know, and we all, but let’s be honest, that’s where some of the things we were talking about pre-shows like, or some of that pride and stuff came in. It’s like, actually, I’m also doing it for me. You know, because I need to prove to myself that I can build this business.

Erik Timmermans (12:43.714)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Erik Timmermans (12:49.858)
Yeah, and I’m a man and I want to provide, right? Like it’s at least that that’s how I am. And I’m a little old school in that, but I want to provide, right? Like I want to provide for my family. want to, I want to have created better and I, not that I had a bet, but I want to create a better life for my kids than I.

Brett McCollum (12:56.175)
Nope, I agree.

Brett McCollum (13:06.533)
That’s right. Well, and then also, I think the other side of the thing that I’ve been learning through is provision isn’t always in financial by financial means, you know, because I know.

Erik Timmermans (13:16.834)
And that’s what I learned as well. And that’s why I said in the intro, like, this year I’m not working on Fridays.

Brett McCollum (13:24.066)
That’s when you said that I was like, ooh

Erik Timmermans (13:26.082)
And I’m taking, so I’m taking days with my kids. My wife is off the hook. I’m going to museums. go fishing with them. I’ll take them on hikes and it creates so much more. So it’s so much more than, than the financial in your bank account. Just the ability to, to, to spend with your kids. And again, this year, my debt is higher than I ever had before because I am building million dollar homes in Raleigh.

Brett McCollum (13:42.501)
No doubt.

Erik Timmermans (13:53.666)
just one project is $2.5 million. And this is one out of the 13, right? So I took on so much more debt and decided I’m going to work so many less hours than I did last year, but I take on more.

Brett McCollum (13:58.895)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (14:06.319)
Yeah, that’s a tough mental challenge, isn’t it? Yeah, dude. Yeah, I, listen, but it’s the same time. It’s, you know, it’s the, my trust is in a source that’s not, you know, my source is in God, not in my own ability. So I can do the best with what I’ve been given.

Erik Timmermans (14:08.589)
That’s why have bangs and gray hair.

Brett McCollum (14:31.075)
And I have to be able to trust him with the, like I have to. I used to even say this, Erik, I used to say, and I hope this isn’t, you know, overstepping here either, but I used to say, I’ll do my best and give God the rest. That’s like the classic, like, Southernism Christian thing to say. And something that I got really convicted on over the last year was like, that’s the problem, is we’re giving him the leftover, not all the beginning for me. And so, you know, if that’s the conviction of like, time is a resource too, and my kids and my wife, they need me, because…

Do I know what it feels like to have your marriage struggle because I’m choosing this business over this? Yeah. And then at the end of the day, like make all the money you want if they’re not there with you along the way. It doesn’t matter. And I’ve had to walk through some of that, man. So I get it. Last thing before we kind of get into the real estate side of things. You’ve got the twins, they’re little at this point and you know, the financial means isn’t there yet.

Erik Timmermans (15:12.654)
It doesn’t matter. No, no, no, no.

Brett McCollum (15:31.153)
And just mentally, where were you at? You know what, we’re doing the food stamp thing. Where was that? What was that season mentally like having to go through that? Was it something like, no, it’s just what we have to do? Or was it like, this sucks?

Erik Timmermans (15:45.486)
That was, that was the biggest ego trip that I experienced. mean, you have to imagine, right? You’re, you’re in Walmart. and, and you have all your kids there in the cart. and, and you, you have the stamps and then you, there’s a picture of, if it’s bread, there’s a picture of the bread and the, and the brand of bread that you can pick. And then Walmart puts, it next time you go to Walmart.

Brett McCollum (16:11.216)
Right.

Erik Timmermans (16:15.086)
there is a sticker on there, certain sticker. So you can only pick that one, which it is always the bread that already expired or is about to expire. So you’re trying to raise your kids on molded bread and expired fruit. And then you get into the line, which back in the day, Walmart did not have sales checkout and there were 30 checkout lines, but only one was open. So there was always 20 people behind you and you have to say,

Brett McCollum (16:27.825)
Thank

Brett McCollum (16:35.504)
Right.

Brett McCollum (16:39.13)
always.

Erik Timmermans (16:43.776)
I am so sorry. This is going to take a while because I have to find when, when the cashier scans the bread, I have to find the right coupon and give it to her. And then we have to make sure it actually matches up. So this is going to be a while. So, you know, if you’re, if you are in that phase in your life where, where you are at the bottom of the barrel and you can go lower and you hit rock bottom. I think that was a saving grace for me because that allowed me that my pride was already gone.

Brett McCollum (17:14.107)
Sure.

Erik Timmermans (17:14.158)
So when I, when I purchased my first house, I had no issue asking people for money because my pride was already left the door. And, I think some of the people that get started in real estate, their pride might held them back because they don’t realize that, you know, in real estate, you can have three things. Like I said, pretty show, right? You have the deal, you have the money or you, or you have the time and you just got to find between those three things, what you’re missing.

And of course I had time and I had the deal, but I had, didn’t have the money. So I looked for money, but I really think that me being on the food stamps saved me and it was like, okay, let’s, let’s just, let’s just go into real estate and let’s figure this out. My, brother-in-law asked me who has a well paying job at a corporate organization and has some money in the bank account. He goes, what do I need to do to get in real estate? I said, I hope you end up that broke. And he looked at me like, wow. I said, no, but.

Your dreams, your corporate organization is now paying for you to forget your dreams. You have some money in the savings accounts that you don’t, that you apparently don’t want to touch. So you’re not, you know, you’re going to focus on your W2 because it pays, it pays you well, and you can do what you think you want to do until you end up, until you end up in a, in a tough place.

you don’t know what you, or you might not realize what your dreams are, or you’re not willing to take that risk because you’re sitting in a comfortable throne in your W2. Therefore you forget your dreams.

Brett McCollum (18:45.019)
Yeah.

Yeah, wow. Man, yeah, that’s really good. So fast forward, you start, you’re doing it. then, where are you at today? how many, like you started, I mean, you were literally standing in line for…

probably at least 45 minutes between the people in front of you and then your portion of it, where your kid’s in tow at the time, you know, you feel like, it’s like, this, can’t believe I’m here, mine’s like, this is where I’m at right now. And now how many doors do you own and where is life at today?

Erik Timmermans (19:24.334)
So when we got started, we did two the first year and then I was at a local meetup, right? And I can encourage people, masterminds, local meetups, go to it, go to it, go to it. And then we were at the local meetup and we said, me and my business partner at the time said, next year we will have 50 rentals. And everybody in that meetup were beginners and everybody wanted to do one, everybody wanted to do two, maybe I’m gonna do three.

Brett McCollum (19:37.317)
Yeah.

Erik Timmermans (19:53.646)
No, we had a hard goal and said, are going to do, we’re going to acquire 50 properties next year. And this is how we’re going to do it. That turned into that the people in that room that had money wanted to talk to us. So by the end of that meetup, we had people fighting to talk to us. Like people were literally just over the heads were throwing business cards on the table and left and say, please give me a call. want to talk to you. So the reason I want to mention that is like,

Brett McCollum (20:12.368)
Yeah.

Erik Timmermans (20:22.286)
If you have a clear goal and you know what you’re going to do and how you’re going to do it, people are going to appreciate that and hook onto that and say, I want to be part of that. But if you’re going to say, I might want to do two deals. I might want to have one deal. It’s never for me. It’s, I don’t think it’s ever going to start. If you say, I’m going to buy 10 rentals this year and this how I’m going to do it. You’re going to be successful. Um, now fast forward, I have north of, and the reason I say,

don’t have an exact number. I should have known it before the show, but I sold a few this year, but I have over 150 rentals. I do 30 new builds and I do 35 flips a year.

Brett McCollum (21:01.775)
Yeah. And that’s the perspective I was trying to show is, I mean, this isn’t that long ago that you’re standing in that line. Yeah.

Erik Timmermans (21:09.387)
And I’m not sure if I should mention it, my net profit this year is projected to be more than 1.5

Brett McCollum (21:20.035)
I mean, in eight years. You know, that’s what I’m saying. in literally from, so I have a coach, business coach that he says, and I love, I think you’ll resonate with this. says, rock bottom is a firm foundation.

Erik Timmermans (21:21.912)
Thank you.

Erik Timmermans (21:32.385)
wow, wow.

Brett McCollum (21:34.545)
And the way you said that made me think about that. that’s the path. Going at that point of like, you know what, that may have been the best, the worst moment in mentally, the, you know, you’ve heard the phrase, you can’t see the forest for the trees, you know, like there is no way out. It’s dark. There’s no end of this tunnel. It’s.

Erik Timmermans (21:50.23)
say that.

Brett McCollum (21:55.415)
I’m con- I don’t- Listen, I don’t know you, Erik, outside of what we just met. But I know going through difficult times, there’s some- I’m sure there were days where there was no light at the of the tunnel. You couldn’t see floors for the trees. But also that was the best thing. And it didn’t feel like it, because you’re a man, and you’re trying to provide for your wife and three kids.

and your man it’s a it’s a testament to the power of both one one god to our ability to work through difficult things and trust that there’s something else and you did it

Erik Timmermans (22:35.65)
Yeah. Yeah. And I’m going through it right now, right? I’m going, I’m going through it right now because, and we, we, we, we, we, we spoke about that pre, pre show, but you know, like a lot of people, we got really comfortable in, in, during the COVID times and that things were, were going to go up, including myself. And so I have about five flips that I’m, I’m going to lose somewhere between

Brett McCollum (22:53.638)
Yep.

Erik Timmermans (23:02.374)
60,000 to 8,000 or 8,000 to 60,000, however you want to look at it. And there are deals that I sold, I make nothing on. just break even and I walk away from it. I started off the year that some of my hard money lenders were going to foreclose on me and sue me, right? And I worked through it. It’s the ability and for me, the trust in the Lord and say, Hey, I know you got me, guide me through this. What do I do?

And just have those tough conversations with your lender and don’t push them aside, but just face the problem head on. And you’ll find that if you go through it and never give up, you will always win. Whatever the win looks like.

Brett McCollum (23:48.273)
Yeah, sometimes that win isn’t what you ever thought possible. again, back to that standing in line in Walmart, cutting the coupons out, probably you didn’t think about, like, I’m going to have 150 rental properties in eight years.

Erik Timmermans (24:04.951)
If somebody would have told me that I would tell you are insane. You lost your mind. Exactly. I have $50 in my bank account. I cannot even buy this bread that my kid wants. I can’t even buy a bike that my kid wants. Let alone a house.

Brett McCollum (24:09.175)
In what world, right? Yeah, I listen.

Brett McCollum (24:18.543)
Yeah. And also too, like, I love like continuing to put ourselves mentally, not to feel bad about it, but to go, man, the level of gratefulness, you know, that we can look back on and go, you know what, man, it wasn’t long ago, you know, and never, and never forgetting that because it is really easy in real estate, especially when you’re starting to do more and more transactions to get super transactional about this business.

Erik Timmermans (24:37.869)
Yeah, it wasn’t.

Erik Timmermans (24:46.766)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Brett McCollum (24:47.313)
It’s just one more deal, it’s one more deal, it’s one more deal. And it’s very easy because it is so time consuming, like you mentioned earlier. And then you start to put, listen, I’m not beating Erik up because this is me too, okay? The fingers are pointing back at me when I say this. The very thing that we have to be the most grateful for, I feel like sometimes we take very for granted.

And we show that by how we treat our family, our wife, our kids, and everybody else. And it’s like, dad gum, man. Like, we did this all, and then we left them in pursuit of it. I hate that, that we’ve done that, that I’ve done that. I hate that. But it’s also like, OK, maybe we had to go through that to level us up as husbands and fathers, too. And now you’ve got Fridays off, you’re going fishing, and you’re doing those things. It’s like, OK, maybe I never would have been this.

dad if I not have gone through some of it. So I have to look at it from both perspectives.

Erik Timmermans (25:41.132)
Yeah. And I look at it the perspective that, you know, the Lord put me through that to now be a, and, and, and support or motivation for other people that are in that situation, right? Like there is, there is, there is a way out. And that’s, that’s why I’m so appreciative of, of, being on this podcast and talking to you because you know, there is, there is, you don’t need to have money to be in real estate, right? Like when, when I turned 40, which is three years ago,

Brett McCollum (26:03.984)
Yeah.

Erik Timmermans (26:09.418)
On my 40th birthday, there was another big pivotal moment on my 40th birthday, I called up my director, almost literally shit my pants and said, I am quitting. And I was still the sole, I’m still the sole provider for my, for my family. was at that point, I was earning more than six figures in that, in that W2, in that job. And it was one of the scariest thing I’ve ever done. But what you learn by going through hard times,

Brett McCollum (26:23.342)
huh.

Erik Timmermans (26:39.006)
is that

whoever you trust will have you, will have you back and trusting in yourself as well. Like, Hey, I can do this. I can move forward. can, I can, I can weather whatever storm comes with whatever religion you have for me, it’s the Lord, but, I can weather this storm and I can move, I can move to this. And that’s what on my 40th birthday, that’s a goal that I set on when I was 36. I said when I was 36, I’m going to retire when I 40 on my 40th birthday, I called my boss up and it’s what I did. So.

Brett McCollum (27:12.303)
That’s incredible. Yeah, I mean, that is enough to make all biblical, but the Bible is very clear on that too. There’s a passage in the Book of Habakkuk. Maybe it’s obscurity to some folks, but look it up. Write your vision down, make it plain, the he who sees it may run with it. And I think there’s a lot of power in whether or not, if you’re listening to this and that, didn’t, biblical.

Erik Timmermans (27:12.43)
That’s how goal-oriented I am as well.

Brett McCollum (27:36.483)
Write your vision down. Look at it every day. Okay, just make it very clear. And I promise you that you’ll find yourself, you know, like on the other side of that. So, man, I appreciate you doing this, Erik. And I know this has inspired a lot of folks, what you’ve done, where you’re going. I wish we could spend, you know, another hour and a half, two hours, you know, kind of get going through, but I want to respect your time, man. But if people want to reach out and connect with you some way, you know, get to know you better, what would that look like?

Erik Timmermans (28:05.35)
The best way is always Facebook or Instagram. Just type in my name, Erik Timmermans, Erik with a K, Instagram. What I do a lot now, because the market is so incredibly volatile, or there’s so many things changing, every day there is a post, one or two posts on my Facebook and on my Instagram that has market updates, right? Like you see a lot of…

And that’s even why I’m so appreciative of what you’re doing. You see a lot of gurus out there that say the real estate market is crashing, foreclosures are this, foreclosures are so. I’m trying to keep it real with real data that comes from real resources and just trying to inform people. But if you want to reach out to Facebook, Instagram, drop me a message. I always reply. Because, know, again, I just want to help people understand that real estate can be an incredible vehicle to financial freedom.

Brett McCollum (28:56.431)
Incredible and we’ll make sure that gets in the show notes for you guys and if you don’t follow along with that I don’t mean to be rude, but you are silly so make sure that you Make sure you reach out to Erik guys and do that and by the way Erik I did want to say one thing to you as well before we sign off here

Erik Timmermans (29:04.32)
Haha

Brett McCollum (29:14.479)
The fact that you didn’t shy away from saying, hey, I’m going through stuff right now. Good on you for that. Because I know a lot of us want to project the image of, you know, yeah, but we’re still crushing it in real estate. You know, like this is hard. It’s a hard season for a lot of people. I won’t say most, but I’ll say a lot. It’s probably most, but it’s a hard season right now. So thanks for being with us about that. And and also still optimistic at the same time. I think that’s an incredible blessing, too. So yeah.

Erik Timmermans (29:41.742)
Thank you. appreciate it. Thanks for the opportunity to be on this podcast.

Brett McCollum (29:44.593)
Yeah, thank you Erik and guys. Thank you to you as well for hanging out with us, spending your time. We’ll see each of you guys on the next episode. Take care everybody.