Unlocking Wealth: How Technology is Transforming Real Estate Investment

Brett McCollum (00:01.359)
All right, welcome back to the show everybody. I’m your host, Brett McCollum, and I’m here today with Kevin Martin. And today we’re gonna be talking about real estate and technology. Before we do guys, at Investor Fuel, we help real estate investors, service providers, and real estate entrepreneurs to 5X their businesses to allow them to build the businesses they’ve always wanted and allow them to build the lives they’ve always dreamed of. Without further ado, Kevin, how are you, man? Good, man, I’m excited to have you. We got to know each other a little bit pre-show.

Kevin Martin (00:25.984)
All is well, all is

Brett McCollum (00:30.483)
I think it’s safe to say that we might be best friends before we’re done here. Yeah, man, so catch us up to speed a little bit before we kind of get too far into everything. Give us some background. Who’s Kevin? Like, you know, what are you about? How’d you get into real estate? You know, catch us up to speed.

Kevin Martin (00:34.253)
Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Kevin Martin (00:46.509)
Okay, yeah. Kevin is a guy from the New York City area. He’s passionate about real estate technology and community. I got my undergrad degree and master’s degree in marketing. And then after owning my own marketing agency, I transitioned into real estate as a commercial mortgage broker. And that was great learning how to lend as far as buying businesses, buying buildings, flipping private money. All that was great. And then

I saw an opportunity to get into technology from my mentors not working kind of in an old school way of whiteboards and yellow pads. I said, let me build a system that could kind of manage deal flow online, whether it be an app or a website. And that’s how I got to where I am today.

Brett McCollum (01:37.875)
Dude, that’s crazy. and behind on the personal side, outside of business, married kids like.

Kevin Martin (01:46.408)
I do have a newborn son. He’s three months old now. then my sister is actually having her second daughter in a month. So like the whole family excited about, yeah, you know, having multiple grandchildren. So it’s a fun time in the family.

Brett McCollum (01:51.323)
Dude, you’re in it.

Brett McCollum (02:00.562)
Uncle Kev!

Brett McCollum (02:08.819)
Three months that’s right about so I’ve got four kids We talked for sure about that for a second to three months is right about when the baby’s tricks you right? So when the babies are new they sleep a whole bunch and you’re like, this is cool And then right about three months. They started doing their thing man. It’s like This is tough You’re about you’re in for it now my friend

Kevin Martin (02:22.124)
Yeah.

Kevin Martin (02:26.559)
Yeah, yeah. I am, I am. It was cool the first three months and then I’m starting to see exactly what you’re saying. say, just go to sleep. You want attention.

Brett McCollum (02:35.653)
huh.

Brett McCollum (02:39.259)
And they, yeah, it’ll tell me they trick you in the beginning. You’re like, this is cool. Yeah, I love, but we love our kids. That’s what we’re here for. But anyway, all right, let’s back, back to it, man. Like, all right, so you started off, but how long ago was this marketing agency? Give or take.

Kevin Martin (02:53.795)
that must have been-

15 years ago. Yeah, I started, it was a little after I got my MBA and I was doing a lot of online marketing, SEO, website building, things like that for a lot of small businesses in my community, which worked out well. From the SEO stuff, they tell me that they still benefit from from today, today. They’ll get people that type in.

Brett McCollum (02:58.184)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (03:14.387)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (03:18.259)
That was early days for some of that, yeah.

Kevin Martin (03:26.282)
whatever that I set up and they still generate no business from it. So it was great to see that I was able to help a few.

Brett McCollum (03:32.925)
That’s huge, man, that’s awesome. You got some legacy behind it too. And then you transitioned into more on the lending side. Is that correct? Did I catch that right? All right.

Kevin Martin (03:41.129)
Right, was a commercial mortgage broker. A lot of fun. My mentor used to put a lot of deals on the whiteboard, but his phone rang a lot, so there were a lot of deals, but the best part about it was I never saw the same deal twice. You know, when you’re for a formal bank, like they put everybody in a box and the deals might change a little bit, but everybody has to meet certain parameters. I don’t know how commercial lending was like the wild, wild west. I mean, that’s…

Brett McCollum (04:04.179)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (04:08.819)
Yeah.

Kevin Martin (04:10.013)
People with felonies getting loans. seen people that didn’t do taxes. saw just what would happen in residential. I mean, one little ding, you can’t get that long. this commercial is just don’t like some.

Brett McCollum (04:20.947)
Correct. Yeah.

Why was that? you have any insight to that?

Kevin Martin (04:27.112)
I mean a lot of it is asset based, a lot of it is relationship based. Commercial is relationship based. You can have, I know you know what a DSCR loan is, right? But you have a DSCR loan that’s under a one, it’d be a .9 or a .8, and commercial banks will give you the money. But that’s relationship, right? They’ll tell you, okay, you have to give all the rents to your whole full portfolio and bank with us, right?

Brett McCollum (04:36.166)
Of course, yeah.

Brett McCollum (04:53.683)
Mmm, this for that.

Kevin Martin (04:56.4)
Yeah, that’s what it is. And so even if they want the relationship, they might do it. And so there’s a lot of that. So if you know.

Brett McCollum (05:03.879)
Yeah, like right now getting DSCR, it’s like 1.5 minimum I’m seeing out there.

Kevin Martin (05:09.48)
That’s crazy. I mean, when I was doing it, was like 1.25, 1.5 is crazy. I mean, that’s hard to find. yes, I…

Brett McCollum (05:14.589)
Yeah. That’s the market though, right? That’s a little bit of that reflects the interest rates. Taxes are going up in a lot of places. I’m in Florida, you know, so taxes are in, interns are out of control here, you know.

Kevin Martin (05:19.943)
Yeah, but.

Kevin Martin (05:25.639)
But it’s really who you know. If you want to get into commercial lending, it’s really who you know because you can talk to a low-level junior loan officer and they’ll tell you no. But if you talk to the VP, they’re like, we’ll do it. And so that’s what I found out. You’ve got to really network and find out who are the shot callers and really network to make sure that you have a

Brett McCollum (05:39.923)
Mm.

Brett McCollum (05:49.489)
And you’re doing that at a high level at that point. I you’re talking to people every day, I imagine, like growing those relationships.

Kevin Martin (05:56.39)
every day, know, community banks, regional banks, big banks, and you know, the relationships with a lot of the banks can’t do what I can do. You know, they would refer business my way too, because they have clients that they really want to help, and we would have the solutions for them. And so an amazing thing where we could work, we could help other bankers in that way, and then we could help our customers or borrowers, buyers, investors kind of get into deal.

Brett McCollum (06:14.035)
Mm-hmm.

Kevin Martin (06:25.855)
know, connecting them with the right lenders.

Brett McCollum (06:28.851)
That’s cool. Yeah, man. You also, talked a little bit, again, pre-show. You’re kind of dipping the toe in the investment world when back then was, I guess you’d, have some rentals, you house act. What’s your experience on that investor side as well? Because it’s really cool. You have both sides of this thing going, you know?

Kevin Martin (06:52.377)
So on the investment side, I went from having a house that was two bedrooms, ended up in a six, and I was house hacking. I lived in a small room and I rented out all the other rooms. That was fun for a while. Very difficult, but I figured that went out. Then in Nashville, I have a duplex and one side I turned it into a beach-themed Airbnb. Nashville is landlocked.

Brett McCollum (07:00.317)
Mm-hmm.

Kevin Martin (07:20.536)
So there’s no beaches in Nashville. So I said, Hey, let me bring the beach to Nashville. I have a in it. All kinds of fun, cool stuff that are that’s beach related on that investment side. I did some property management, midterm rental I got into, which was very lucrative, which is insurance housing. You know, I was helping a lot of families that either had fires or floods or like corporations that had, you know,

Brett McCollum (07:24.808)
Right.

Brett McCollum (07:41.468)
Yeah.

Kevin Martin (07:50.806)
employees that were coming to the area. So I was able to do that for some time. And then, you know, some long-term rental tenants as well. So I currently do that, you know, helps pay some of the bills. the main thing for me.

Brett McCollum (07:59.815)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (08:08.115)
I mean, up, this was not intended on our talk here, but you brought it up and I would be remiss if I didn’t go back and at least touch on it for a second. Midterm rentals, because not a lot of people are talking about midterm rentals and I think they should be more, because especially as I’m seeing it, this is just my own opinion, okay, for whoever’s listening, this is my opinion. I’m in Florida and in different markets throughout Florida specifically, you cannot Airbnb, you cannot short-term.

rent right now. Like there’s there’s counties out there that just full stop you can’t do it right. In midterm rentals though have had no issue and they perform in my experience at or even sometimes above the short-term rental rates. Why do you think that is a little bit? I’m curious to hear your thoughts.

Kevin Martin (08:55.692)
Definitely.

Kevin Martin (09:01.122)
So what I found in midterm rentals, A, you have the guarantee of them being there. In my situation with insurance housing, so they would come for three months and end up there for a year. They will come six months, end up there for 18 months. And so they have a minimum, but at least in that timeframe of the minimum, this is where it gets really good. You have a premium.

Brett McCollum (09:27.229)
that part.

Kevin Martin (09:27.935)
And so they pay you a premium because they cannot give you a one year lease and they don’t want to. Then it ends up a one year lease. Right. And I’m talking about my first rental was probably like triple market rent. And the other one double. And it’s just like six months of a midterm rental is anything as

Brett McCollum (09:43.047)
I mean, yeah.

Brett McCollum (09:48.283)
And typically the class of person that’s your tenants are treating your property better than a standard long-term rental would be, right?

Kevin Martin (09:58.208)
have to. They have to. Because when it comes to insurance housing or corporate housing, right, there’s an entity above them that is holding them accountable, right? And it’s like, okay, we have something. you can’t just come in here. You know, I don’t know if they’ll take something out of their wages or tax them in some kind of way. I don’t know. But there’s somebody else holding them accountable. It’s not just them and then I would

Brett McCollum (10:25.811)
So it’s less stress, less craziness. just, yeah, I mean.

Kevin Martin (10:29.554)
I had insurance housing where there was no, my house was empty. So they furnished the whole thing. And so that was the best part to me. They furnished the whole thing. paid. Rent is due on the 1st. They would send a check on the 24th. It was just amazing. You can’t beat anything like that. I know a few people in it and like,

Brett McCollum (10:37.319)
Wow.

10 grand.

Kevin Martin (10:58.651)
I know a few people that are specializing in it because it’s so lucrative and there’s a lot of opportunity, know, when it’s whether it’s military, corporate, insurance, the medical field, travel nurses, the medical field, and guess what? Most municipalities allow 30-day or more rentals.

Brett McCollum (11:11.923)
travel nurses, we see a lot of that where I live.

Kevin Martin (11:23.834)
And so it’s just the perfect thing like this. They’re not doing anything against the law house hacking can get tricky Airbnb short-term rentals

Brett McCollum (11:30.929)
Yeah, there’s a lot of regulation in some of that short term stuff that’s coming down. There’s a lot of uncertainty, at least people I talked to in different markets and here locally. But with midterm, that’s kind of that sweet spot, it seems like. Yeah.

Kevin Martin (11:47.486)
It’s amazing. It’s amazing. If you can specialize in it, I would definitely suggest you really focus on building relationships, claims adjusters, insurance companies, things like that. And then, yeah, really build out a robust network that can kind of fill the property.

Brett McCollum (12:06.749)
That’s super cool. Yeah. Well, that wasn’t planned to talk about me and I’m glad we did that. but what I really wanted to talk to you about, obviously, you know, in, and one of the reasons why we’re here talking today is technology and real estate. There’s a lot of, we’re in the technology age, right? You know, it seems like there’s something new every day, you know, and you being on the, on the ground level with it, you do it with a technology business. I want to hear a little more like,

Kevin Martin (12:26.909)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (12:36.371)
Alright, you were doing all the things with the landing, you’re doing all these things right here, and then like, how does it go from that into now I’m in technology, you know, and then obviously I want you talk about what, you know, it is that you do.

Kevin Martin (12:45.318)
Alright.

Kevin Martin (12:49.117)
Okay, beautiful. You just said there’s a lot of groundbreaking things. And so really I say that I’m in the business of innovation because we’re constantly updating and changing our technology. And that’s really what I do more so than real estate or technology. I always say I’m in the business of innovation. And so the root of the story is that my boss used to write deals on the whiteboard. He had a lot of them. They’re like three, four whiteboards and it’s like full of deals.

And I would have to, if we changed the loan amount, if we changed the closing date, anything like that, we had to go up there and constantly change it. I said, okay, we need some kind of technology. This is old school. And I had an uncle that flipped houses in Newark, Irvington area, New Jersey, and he would write deals on a yellow notepad and things like that. And I said, I need a better deal flow management system. So I said, let me build out some kind of technology and app.

a website that will be able to handle deal flow management. And so I came into it, I was already in commercial, but I said, let me do residential first, get my feet wet with it. And then eventually I’ll get into doing commercial. But as I got into residential and built out the platform, and I’m talking to a lot of wholesalers, lenders, realtors, investors, they start to tell me about all the problems that they have. As I’m hearing all the problems, I’m just building out solutions, building out solutions. So on that app, there’s probably, I don’t know,

Brett McCollum (14:06.867)
Mm-hmm.

Kevin Martin (14:15.514)
15, 20 features that could be their own app all on one platform. So it’s kind of turned into an all-in-one solution where I can help people from finding the deals, analyzing the deals, funding the deals, disbowing the deals, selling the deals, if you want to call it. We have a transaction management system on there. So we’re talking about the CRM type of thing.

So we have a lot of different features on there to kind of help at any part of the.

Brett McCollum (14:45.287)
Yeah. And what you said, what was really cool is you weren’t Kevin wasn’t building it out of his own mind. It was from talking with other people and hearing their struggle.

Kevin Martin (14:57.21)
That’s the biggest thing user feedback and so I’ve been building this thing for about six years now But biggest thing is user feedback like everything my whole platform is built on it’s hearing a problem and saying hmm I can make that and I figure out of feasible

Brett McCollum (15:14.653)
So have you always been like tech savvy? Like are like, does that?

Kevin Martin (15:17.849)
No, I mean, I have been tech savvy, but not to the level that I am now. I’m in the trenches every day with my dev team, product manager, architects, technological architect. We just have some junior dev. And so we have different people in the business on the team that every day we meet as we’re building out new features, new opportunities.

Brett McCollum (15:22.803)
Mm-hmm.

Kevin Martin (15:47.852)
We’re really trying to, I’m big on user experience. so while real estate is one thing, technology is another, I’m merging them and trying to make it a simple user experience. And so the newest feature I built is called Property Pulse. And that has like the best user experience. You type in any city. And so you type in Miami, Florida. It tells you how many distressed properties are in that city. You can choose how many you want to

Brett McCollum (16:00.627)
That’s right.

Kevin Martin (16:17.473)
purchase and then when you purchase them it goes straight to my sales team and then the sales team initiates the call with the sellers and then sends you the warm lead right and so it’s that’s and so just after talking to so many wholesalers so many investors so many realtors that no one wants to do any work right this is the new world they just want to press a button and things happen and I actually built it and I was like whoa

And the best part of it is it automates list pulling. if we pull, you know, Jack’s, like I said, Miami, Florida, and you pull a whole list, tomorrow is still looking for new opportunities. So next day, so you don’t have to go back and pull it. It’s fresh every day. And it’s getting, they’re getting called, right? And so as soon as it pulls it, as soon as you say, it’ll say, there’s 40 new opportunities in Miami.

Brett McCollum (17:00.647)
Right. It’s fresh.

Brett McCollum (17:15.751)
Yeah. I want if it’s okay with you, I’d like to kind of nerd out a little bit on the on the development stuff because I’m I’m kind of I’m very green. Okay, I don’t like I know what I like with my from the user experience. I’ve always been curious, like, how are y’all doing this? You know what mean? Like, so you six years of building it, but technology six years ago is not what it is today. Heck technology two years ago, one year ago isn’t what it was. Right?

Kevin Martin (17:16.33)
You hit yes?

Kevin Martin (17:23.069)
Okay, yeah, definitely.

Brett McCollum (17:45.299)
How did you evolve as you’ve been going? Because that’s got to be a mental tax in and of itself. What does that look like for you?

Kevin Martin (17:54.101)
So for me, because I remember I’m in the business of innovation, I’m okay with constantly changing. I’m okay with constantly pivoting, right? And so that’s the benefit of it. Because there’s a lot of things coming at you and you have to be very careful of what you get into from the technology side. So I have web three, have crypto, you have blockchain, you have AI, right? All these things are

Buzzwords that I could put into the platform use the buzzwords get people excited about but at the end of the day it’s like what’s the use case right are people actually using it do people actually benefit from it and Closing deals from it right and it’s like this is a this is a thing that I saw I used to have a saying on my pitch deck it

Brett McCollum (18:35.731)
That’s right. Are they closing deals from it, right?

Kevin Martin (18:49.05)
It said deal connect not the platform that you don’t just look at deals who actually do close them right because You know it was a shot at Zillow cuz Zillow is like a platform that everybody just goes and looks at so people love to look at properties and I’m trying to build a platform that I mean anyone any kid that just jumped off the porch just graduated could come on there and do do do and easily

Brett McCollum (19:04.518)
my gosh, yeah.

Kevin Martin (19:18.224)
invest in real estate right and that’s what I’m trying to build and make it that easy. So on the technology side you just got to keep figuring out ways to make it simpler.

Brett McCollum (19:27.313)
Yeah, let me ask you this, cause this is something I’ve seen of my own, you know, deals that we do. right now it seems like the hot thing is PPL. Right. but lately and it’s across every PPL company, like they’re all kind of getting the same jab. Okay. Which is they don’t answer the phone when I call them. These are not good. They’re, they’re just cold, like cold leads. know they’re raising their hands and they want to sell the house, but like,

Kevin Martin (19:39.005)
Right.

Brett McCollum (19:55.827)
They want above retail or you know what I mean? they’re not truly, and obviously you can’t control when you’re running PPL or PPC, know, those kinds of marketing schemes, SEO, you can’t control the person on the other side of the computer typing in, my house fast, right? You can’t control that. Ideally, you’d like to target your target audience for that investor and it’s not always perfect. With what you guys do and,

Kevin Martin (20:23.09)
Mm-hmm.

Brett McCollum (20:24.765)
How are you guys able to target, quote unquote, distress or things of that nature? how does that, is there any, like, or are there similarities? You know, like, kind of wonder, like, what’s your spin?

Kevin Martin (20:34.405)
Yeah. Okay, so there is a similarity where sometimes you’ll get a warm lead and it’s very difficult to get in contact with them. But you see my sales team, they know you have to call people a lot. And so even if you get a warm lead PPL, PPC, you have to call them a lot. Like a minimum of four times a day minimum. Like you can’t just call a person one time and think

Brett McCollum (21:03.379)
it.

Kevin Martin (21:04.122)
They’re getting so many calls. They’re so busy.

Brett McCollum (21:09.063)
By the way, pause Kevin for one second. This is how you know Kevin’s a pro guys, because it’s not just a technology. He’s like, I just know the technology. Kevin knows that you have to back four times a day, guys. He’s not wrong. Yes, that’s how it takes to get a hold of people. Keep going.

Kevin Martin (21:24.88)
That’s a cold lead. You gotta do that with the warm ones too. I have a lead that just came in last night, eight o’clock. The ARV is 345, the guy wants 225. He said I’m trying to sell it. My wife is ill, I’m trying to sell this property, get rid of it. I’ll get rid of it in the next 20 days if I can. Haven’t spoken to him. I called him five times. My call, called him five times. I’m like, bro, you ain’t.

My clothes and I are not mad, because we know, as soon as we get you on the phone, we got you. But that’s the part of it. And so that’s what I built out, because I know pulling a list and then calling everyone is hard enough. Scaling your business to be able to call all these people and you got to call them a lot is hard enough. Yeah.

Brett McCollum (21:59.815)
Yeah, it’s just what it takes.

Brett McCollum (22:14.653)
You know what heard you say, Kevin? It’s not a marketing problem, it’s a sales problem.

Kevin Martin (22:20.799)
yeah.

Brett McCollum (22:22.611)
because the leads are good, you’re not getting old because you’re not following a good sales process.

Kevin Martin (22:27.117)
Yeah, but and then so the other thing about I don’t see anything wrong PPL, but the other thing that I built was something called daisies deal artificial intelligence system integration. So basically it’s a calculator or playbook for any deal. So you type in any property and it can teach you how to invest wholesale sub to seller finance, fix and flip, buying home, normal purchase, right?

And so all these calculators are there and it’s instant. And that’s a big piece of property posts and the whole, I call it one click, one click system. Because now if a guy’s going to auction, I can tell, oh, he’s going to auction in two weeks. He owes 138 to the bank. The property is worth 600, right? And now my conversation is different. I can tell how much he owes in arrears.

Brett McCollum (23:12.999)
Right.

Kevin Martin (23:24.397)
Right. Calculated. I’m putting that into the platform as well. And now you have a better understanding. It’s like, okay, this guy’s pay off is 160. Properties worth 600. I also have a repair calculator in there, which goes by depreciation. And the last time the house was either bought or refinanced. So it gives a guesstimate around what the repairs are. And in that you can kind of tell, all right, this is the best price to wholesale with that.

This is the best price to flip it at. This is the best price to buy it at. I have a Dispo system on my platform, work with tons of wholesalers. They give me deals that are 80, 85, 90 cents on a dollar, which is horrible. I can’t do anything with that. so automatically what I put in my system was here is your MOA, here’s your MAO, whatever people want to… It’s like, please do not… If the deal is not at this number, don’t…

Brett McCollum (24:14.621)
Right, right, right.

Brett McCollum (24:20.935)
Don’t even send it. Yeah.

Kevin Martin (24:23.296)
Like we have to work and so I’m teaching people, know, don’t just work from A.R.V. work bottom up, find out what they owe, find out what they want to walk away with, things of that nature.

Brett McCollum (24:31.795)
That’s right.

But then with the daisy thing you just said is if they can get that information, they can run them five scenarios or whatever it is that might work for sale.

Kevin Martin (24:43.851)
And so that’s what I kind of built in there. And so now you can kind of have data and information before talking to a seller. And it puts you at a bit of an advantage, you know? Sometimes, I mean, I talk to sellers that are about to lose their house next week and they act like, oh yeah, no, there’s no problem. Like, give me full price, give me retail price. It’s like, we have a problem. I’ll be here to sell. We call it play tough, but you know.

Brett McCollum (24:51.389)
Yeah.

Brett McCollum (25:03.837)
Yeah. Yeah.

Brett McCollum (25:12.755)
Yeah. Have you guys been, I’m going to ask you this too. Have you guys been running into any issues with like a lot of the compliance rules, you know, obviously TCPA compliance stuff, things like that. Like, um, have you guys been running into that? Like, like, do not call it like any issues that way.

Kevin Martin (25:13.407)
The data.

Kevin Martin (25:30.057)
No, no, we scrub lists before we call. If they want to put us on a do not call list, that’s fine. And then I outsource my sales team. So it’s not my company. So I did a partnership agreement with them. so they’re able to handle that. They specialize in that.

Brett McCollum (25:50.195)
And so me, the user, I’m shielded from, you know, the any, but yeah. Yeah. That’s a, that’s a big deal, man. Right? Like knowing, cause a lot of the stuff has been a lot of bark and no real bite. You know, we know that, but you know, it’s, know on the tech side of things, you guys have to stay on the forefront of all these coming things, you know, at all times, it seems like.

Kevin Martin (25:54.707)
yeah, it’s them and outside. Yeah.

Kevin Martin (26:12.837)
yeah, all the time, all the time. And you got it. And you have to figure out solutions in tech that might not necessarily be technology is the solution, right? So I could have built my dial-up, built my CRM, built my AI caller thing. Like I could have built all this stuff. And it’s like, sometimes it’s just better to say, you do this at this price. Okay, I’ll pay you to do it. We’ll collaborate and make it.

And people don’t know what’s going on. It’s like, just know that, I paid 40 bucks for a bunch of leads and then I got a warm lead out of it, right? PPL, it’s similar thing. Yeah.

Brett McCollum (26:50.867)
Right.

Yeah, that’s super cool, man. Well, I mean, I know we could keep talking and go on and on and on. Obviously, I mean, that sounds incredible. Like, I love that you’ve what you’ve done, what you’ve built. mean, and even if just knowing that the journey you took to get to where you’re like, I don’t know you like that, but like, man, I’m proud of what you’ve done. Like, that’s really cool to see, Yeah, man, that’s incredible.

Kevin Martin (27:10.697)
Yeah.

Kevin Martin (27:15.206)
I appreciate that.

Brett McCollum (27:18.491)
If people wanted to get a hold of you, reach out, learn a little bit more about Deal Connect or things like that, what’s the best way for that to happen?

Kevin Martin (27:24.616)
Kevin Martin info at deal connect mobile.com is my email info at deal connect mobile.com My personal Instagram is maven Martin maven Martin is my last name ma rt in at deal connect mobile on Instagram as well these these are these works on YouTube Twitter tick tock everything yeah, Pretty active very active over so there

Brett McCollum (27:47.709)
Yeah. Pretty active on the socials. Yeah.

Kevin Martin (27:53.544)
easiest way to contact me or if you want to learn more about Deal Connect, yeah, we’re here, ta-ow.

Brett McCollum (27:59.739)
Yeah, seriously guys, if you’re listening to this, I encourage you go back. It’ll be in the show notes too. Okay. But go back and, and listen again. You know, this is a person that knows the industry inside and out and he’s built a product around it to help you guys and serve you in the highest level. So I encourage you to go through, check out deal connect, and, really, lean into that. But guys, it’s been a great episode, Kevin, man, it’s been a pleasure getting to know you, man. it’s been great guys until the next one. We’ll talk to you soon. Take care everybody.

Kevin Martin (28:25.062)
Thank you.

Alright.