How Blockchain & AI Could Change Real Estate Investing | Erai Beckmann

Erai Beckmann (00:00)

There’s no guarantees in life. You always have to keep going. I’ve adopted an expression myself, my wife, and actually one of our partners in Peace Through Trade, where let’s pay attention to how far we’ve come, not how much further there is to go.

And I really like that.

Meghan Escobar (01:35)

Hello everyone. Welcome back to *Real Estate Pros Podcast*, hosted by Investor Fuel. I am your host today, Meghan Escobar. And I’m so excited to bring this guest on today.

He is an incredible individual who has launched and scaled, and exited ventures across multiple sectors. Now, he has ran public companies, contributed hundreds of millions of dollars in additional public marketing, capitalization, and has drove annual revenues in tens of millions of dollars. Now, what he is most well known for is co-founding one of the world’s

first CBD pharmaceutical companies to legally import into Latin America, which is pretty exciting. And many, other things. He’s helped reshape federal legislation in Brazil, contributing directly to legislation of CBD for medical use. So lots to talk about here. And he he’s definitely got his feet wet in the real estate world as well. But he is a man that wears many, hats and has

I believe from what I’ve learned about him has really made an impact out here in the world, not just in the US. I’m so excited to bring you on here. welcome to the show.

Erai Beckmann (02:47)

Well, it’s my pleasure to be here, Meghan.

Thanks for having me on the show. And I’m happy to help share kind of where the world of Web3 and AI is moving. There’s a major global financial shift that’s about to occur. As it specifically relates to being a value for your community members focused on real estate, that’s an interesting topic of conversation. And it’s kind of cool because I’m not usually asked to describe it.

That CBD pharmaceutical project that I am most well known for, but not publicly, sort of at the highest levels of government, health agencies, and within the pharmaceutical industry, as a result of us being the first ever legally allowed to import and helping that government with their laws getting passed, that project ended up getting government contracts that resulted in that project being worth in excess of nine billion dollars. And so that was about eleven years ago.

I too then started my own private family office. And about four years ago, we officially started our own family office in Singapore. I’m originally from Canada, but I live internationally. And I think the world of real estate’s gonna shift and evolve quite a bit as this Web3. Some refer to it, most refer to it as crypto. In the government or high finance world, we mostly call it Web3 because crypto has a bad stigma. But it’ll be really interesting to learn where global Web3 is going.

how the laws and the regulations are gonna come in and shift this whole industry from this sort of wild west, unregulated industry to a legally regulated industry that comes with it, safety, auditing, security, and insurance. And prior to us hitting record, I was sharing with Meghan examples of how my family and our family office have in invested in real estate internationally. And a lot of the international transactions, even just moving money, can be horrible experiences.

That you would imagine in 2026 should never exist. And so today I hope to share one specific highlight on one of our portfolio companies, which is called Peace Through Trade, which is already officially involved in government partnerships, which is this is pretty cool because depending on when this podcast is published, is not yet public data. it’s already been awarded at the United Nations as a global leader in Web3 and AI. And maybe we could together uncover some insights as to how, with what you know to be coming.

Perhaps maybe this could help your real estate investments, not only at home, but maybe even internationally. You never know.

Meghan Escobar (05:07)

You never know, right? You don’t know what you don’t know.

I

you have clearly had quite the success journey throughout all of your ventures here. And I’m curious to know, what was it that led you to being an entrepreneur in general?

Erai Beckmann (06:09)

It’s a great question. The first moment I knew in my life that I wanted to be an entrepreneur, I was 14 and I was a member of a children’s choir, a youth choir, and I’m from Canada and I lived in a really, remote part of British Columbia, Canada. But the cool thing about this children’s choir was for some random, obscure reason, this particular children’s choir

this little community had a very well-known internationally youth music program. So for children and youth, they would do classical music, classical instruments, and choral music. Now, if you’re in this little town, there’s not a lot to do. You could play hockey, or

This choral music program actually ran an event where every two years it would invite other children’s classical music groups to come visit from all over the world. So from Germany or South Africa or Hawaii or you name it. And so if you actually became a member of this group every other year, because this event was hosted every other year, the in between years, this choir group would actually then travel.

To some of the nations of the visiting choirs as well. So it was the host nation one year, the next year you travel. So being that, there’s not that much to do. And it was rainy, cold, and dark a lot of the time outside of playing hockey. I signed up for this choir group. And because I knew that there was an upcoming trip to Hawaii. And I thought, wow, what a cool experience. we actually sang for the governor. It was kind of a cool experience. I got to see the tropical blue oceans of Hawaii and I met amazing people.

And I really enjoyed it overall. But when I was physically there in Hawaii, you could just kind of feel it. people talk about it as being mana. I could feel it as a young boy. I lived in a very beautiful part of the world. In my opinion, the coast of British Columbia, Canada is some of the most beautiful country on the planet. So I was very blessed. And but as a youth, you can kind of obviously take things for granted. But when I was in Hawaii, I thought I thought, wow, this place is paradise.

And I realized at some point in my life I wanted to come back here. And for whatever reason, I had the thought that the only way I could do that was probably by becoming an entrepreneur. And so actually on that trip, the idea to eventually pursue becoming an entrepreneur was born from just the fact that I figured I probably want to become an entrepreneur so I could move back to Hawaii at some point in the future.

Meghan Escobar (08:28)

Thank you for sharing that story. it’s very interesting to me every time I ask that question when I have the opportunity to sit with somebody who’s, had such success. I’m always curious to know where did it start? How did you know, what pushed you in that direction? So what a story. You signed up for the choir just to get the the travel experience. And then what came from that is how do I continue this, right? how do I

create this kind of freedom to come back whenever I’d like. And so is it safe to say, Erai, that you’ve had some success in your life?

Erai Beckmann (08:59)

I would say that’s pretty safe to say. Yeah. it’s been, every entrepreneur’s journey is fraught with learning. Yeah. and the more the more fortunate you’ve become, you where you’ve had actual verified success, money in your bank account, it doesn’t matter really the level, the more you realize that it’s a very humbling journey.

And for myself, I choose to come from the perspective of every day trying to be humble in knowing that I don’t know what I don’t know. I’m excited for what I’m gonna learn today and sort of always trying to continue that momentum of pursuit of improving oneself and having fun. Obviously, you gotta do things that you love that you’re totally inspired by. there’s so much to learn and it’s so hard that unless I have found I really am inspired and I really love what I’m doing.

I’m simply not gonna put in the hours to figure out the innovation or to, iterate that are really needed to ultimately crack the code or succeed in what I’m doing.

Meghan Escobar (09:55)

Fair enough to say. And I think somebody who’s operating in a caliber of yours, like at some point you have to set your boundaries or where you’re, putting your energy and all of that. I think that’s pretty important and part of the journey, if you will. And so with that being said, you said a couple of things there that I kind of want to unpack. And what I’d love for you to share is a moment in your journey where things got real, where

a deal maybe had gone sideways or a time that you had to pivot really fast and maybe it was early on in your journey or some kind of partnership or wherever it is, there is a part of your journey along the way that

could have potentially split one way or the other. Like I’m just gonna give up or I’m going all in.

Erai Beckmann (10:33)

Mm-hmm. Well, thanks for thanks for asking that question. It’s interesting. I have to think about it. obviously along the way, there are always, there’s nothing’s perfect. There’s no guarantees in life. You always have to keep going. I’ve adopted an expression myself, my wife, and actually one of our partners in Peace Through Trade, where let’s pay attention to how far we’ve come, not how much further there is to go.

And I really like that. actually comes from one of our other founding partners in Peace Through Trade, because there’s always more to do. There are always new to-dos. There’s always new objectives. And what depending on who who’s listening, and no matter what level, no matter what level you’re at, in your own success, in your own net worth, perhaps in the value of your portfolio, there are new challenges at every level. It it’s not like it just goes away.

and it becomes fully on autopilot. But what I think happens to entrepreneurs, what for sure has happened to myself, is in my youth, I would take things more seriously. I would take things more personally. I would get way more excited and way more upset more often than I do now in my latter years. And I think what to your point exactly happens to most entrepreneurs if they don’t give up

Curl up in a ball and cry and completely throw in the towel, then they don’t die. And whatever they’re going through, it makes them stronger. Right. And so as you’re made stronger, the next thing might not be that big of a deal. And pretty soon, in your latter years, after having been an entrepreneur for a decade or more, in my case now for a few decades, you start to have things that happen that other people are shocked that you’re not reactive to. And, you just like another day in the office, just another Tuesday.

And those can be at different varying degrees in scales. As you get more money and your investment amounts get more, your bills get bigger, and you’re just managing more. And the phone calls you get are just for larger amounts of monies. So, for me, there’s definitely been instances where I was going all in on things and I had huge opportunities to learn. for me, the single biggest opportunity that I had to learn in my youth when I was in sort of my mid-20s was

How to remain balanced as an entrepreneur. when I was really young, you don’t really think about, staying up late. In fact, it’s kind of cool to stay up late and burn the midnight oil, if you will. It feels cool to like not be balanced and work out and go for walks and do that because I’m such a driven entrepreneur. It early on in my career, I learned that I absolutely am going to take time to invest in my health, in my mental well being.

in my psychological well being and having a balanced routine so that actually my output will be greater over the long term, not just gun it, pedal to the metal into a brick wall. And so now in my later years, I make it a point to be very routined. I routinize my life. I start work at the exact time. I end work usually for the most part. I close my office at an exact time.

I work out, I make sure to most of the time, not always, but most of the time get to bed at a certain hour. and I really protect that routine for myself so that I show up most of the time in my best form.

Meghan Escobar (13:47)

Love that. So you you’ve learned to kind of instead of, as you said, hitting the wall, right? When you’re a young entrepreneur, you’re going all in, you’re full force ahead, you get to a point where you gotta start taking some preventative care, right? And prioritizing and getting the routine downpacked and all that stuff. So thank you for sharing that. And one thing that you said that I

Stood out to me was like emotions, right? Like in one way or another it kind of came through is like it’s difficult to control your emotions as a young entrepreneur and not feel like you’re attaching the emotion to every single piece of your business. Sometimes you gotta separate the emotion from the outcome, right? Like how do you how do you feel like you you’ve overcome that?

Erai Beckmann (14:31)

I don’t say I would I’ve overcome that. I think you as you grow and stretch your capacity to take on more, the growth continues. So it just becomes, perhaps larger and larger levels, and your capacity hopefully expands to where you’re less reactive to things at all levels, maybe even at that new level, that newly unlocked achieved level. And at the same time, the universe has a brilliant, beautiful way of.

throwing at you new things that can continue to help you grow and continue to stretch your capacity. For me, though, I choose to take so I found meditation early on in my life and in my career in my early 20s. For me, that was the greatest investment of time and money and energy and still is. For me, my meditation practice, whether, and you don’t have to do this, I’m not religious by any means, but meditation for me, morning and evening.

became a part of my regular routine. And for me, that actually helped me learn to concentrate even better. I actually found that I became a little bit more even scientific about how I ran my life. I was able to monitor, measure data, track results more so. I was biohacking before sort of it was known or popular. I actually became acquaintance with Dave Asprey even before I saw him write his first blog post, terming biohacking for the first time ever. And

Years prior to him starting Bulletproof. So to be a biohacker or a scientist, I would call it of your own life is really helpful. And and that’s really helped me. But I, you I don’t think anyone ever over completely overcomes emotions, but I definitely recognize that you become you become way more chill, you take things way less seriously, you try and sort of become way more neutral over time, while at the same time wanting to be excited and enthusiastic and

passionate about what you’re also doing because that’s the joy of life. that’s why that’s why I’m alive. I’m alive to live more, to love more, to be more inspired. I personally spend my time and invest my capital in things that I sincerely, genuinely am inspired about that I think are going to do that are going to genuinely be awesome for the planet and humanity. for me, it’s about I want my daughters not just one exit here, one exit there, maximized profit. Obviously there needs to be profit for my own money.

I want to make sure there’s profit initially and all along the way. But that’s not the only reason I’m doing it. I’m doing it so that my daughters, we have two daughters, and my goal is that when they’re ready as entrepreneurs to step into our family office or their own businesses, they can look at what I’ve achieved. Hopefully what I’ve achieved is still around. what I’ve been putting effort into is still there. And if they’re inspired, they can pick up that torch and continue carrying it for the planet and humanity.

Meghan Escobar (17:51)

So beautiful. I love that meditation’s like a non-negotiable for you. I’ve been practicing a form of meditation. So I practice breath work. It’s like it’s like meditation on steroids and it’s an incredible tool for me. It’s done a lot of the same things for me that you’re kind of talking about. Like, and I and I preach this all the time too. It’s like

Find stillness, man, because we live in such an age of anxiety and I mean especially here in the US where it’s just constant go, constant go, constant consumption. it’s really difficult for people to be able to feel clarity, on what their thoughts are that are even coming through. So you find that in stillness, you find that in meditation. So whether you’re somebody who’s spiritual or, whatever it is, I don’t think it has anything really to do with

spirituality or religion at all. I think it really has to do with you finding purpose and clarity. so I’m a strong believer of that. So thank you for sharing that. that’s a gem to drop for sure. And talk to us a little bit about

What your next focus is or what you’re focusing on these days, solving or scaling.

Erai Beckmann (18:52)

Well yeah, so we have a few portfolio well and thanks for sharing the breathwork thing that you’re into. I was just curious, is there a particular technique or methodology that you really value or?

Meghan Escobar (19:01)

I’m actually a master breathwork teacher and I’ve been practicing that for four years. It’s a deep diaphragmatic breathwork technique called Breathwork Detox. Okay. it’s a really incredible stuff, man. It’s impacted hundreds and thousands of lives over the past five years and the goal is to continue to do that on the side here.

Erai Beckmann (19:20)

Cool. Well maybe you can send me some more information. I know I’m familiar with Wim Hof, the box technique.

Meghan Escobar (19:26)

So Wim Hof has its place. box breathing has its place. I like to call those things maintenance work. And so what I focus on is more of like the tune-up.

Erai Beckmann (19:35)

Okay.

Meghan Escobar (19:36)

Yeah, that makes sense. Right. So complete, body align, mind, body, soul alignment. really it it’s like detoxing the body from the inside out. So really powerful stuff I’d love to share with you for sure.

Erai Beckmann (19:48)

Yeah, well I would like yeah, I’d love to love to learn more about it. I’m always looking for more tools and tips to add in the toolbox. Yeah. we

Meghan Escobar (19:56)

I saw the light bulb go.

Erai Beckmann (19:59)

Yeah, it’s always cool. Yeah. And so you were asking what the focus yeah, so we have a few portfolio companies, so we’re into pharmaceuticals that I hope are helping that aren’t,

Perhaps just only, band-aids that aren’t only hurting. We are into media. and I hope as well that the media investments we’re making and the portfolio companies that we’ve invested in and what we’ve started there are also helping. We are into Web3 and AI and a few different things. Real estate obviously holdings internationally and throughout North America the past few years. But the

reason we originally connected was to talk about this project here that’s on my pillow, Peace Through Trade. and everyone can check that out. It’s just peacethroughtrade.com. This is a project where it’s a global blockchain ecosystem and AI ecosystem where we’ve built a full stack ecosystem so that we can actually grow a global community. And as consumers ourselves, we can start to use it. We have our own layer one that allows you to.

Have a foundation you could build new solutions on top of. The solutions in Web3 blockchain are called apps generally. We have our own wallet so that you could hold the coin that’s attached to that blockchain. It’s called Peace Through Trade Blockchain. The coin is called Peace Through Trade. We have actually we have our own, which is not yet live, but perhaps the listeners could check out the beta download version. We have our own global social media, sort of like a Instagram app.

But the difference is it’s built on the blockchain. So it’s actually safer, it’s more secure. All the content, information, and payment that happens on that social media is attached to the blockchain. It’s kind of cool. We were calling it PTT Stream internally, but our community just voted on a new name. So you guys can check out Peaceertrade.com and you could learn more and you could sign up to download that beta app. It’s not perfect. We’re seeing, if there’s anything in that we need as improvements before we launch it live in the App Store.

That launching live is also kind of gonna fit into a similar timing for when we finally, after five years, bring this project to the public markets when its coin goes out and all those sorts of things. So just so everyone knows, I have to legally, my attorneys always want to make sure I say the coin is available for purchase right now legally. Even Americans could buy it legally because the infrastructure that we have, that social media app and that wallet app.

are available for you to use it right now today at the time we’re recording this because it’s a utility coin. But I have to share with you that there’s always a risk. It’s not yet publicly trading as a utility coin yet. It will in the future. We’ve already established fortunately one of the world’s largest exchanges. They love the project so much they’ve agreed us to list and they waived the million dollar plus listing fee, which is a huge blessing. Wow. we already have a lot of people don’t know this, but when you’re bringing a company public, it’s one thing to bring it public, but you also have to have and this is

True as well for the stock markets, a market maker or market makers partners that kind of help make sure that coin can be bought and sold and do well. And there’s no guarantees though in a project that has not yet gone public. Obviously everyone wants its price to go up, but I have to legally say, which is true for every project, that the price of Peace Through Trade Coin, it will go up, it will go down. That ultimately will be dependent upon and determined by the public markets. It’s not something I will have that much say in.

Meghan Escobar (23:16)

that much control over you’re a powerful man Erai but there’s some things right that yeah you actually can’t control and I am looking at it here

Erai Beckmann (23:24)

Legally, the attorneys, I have to say that if you buy any, it’s to use it as an American because your laws don’t yet exist yet. The CLARITY Act has not been officially published. There’s some laws in the GENIUS Act, but the CLARITY Act is not yet live at the time we’re recording this. Who knows? Fingers crossed, there’s a big vote coming up actually tomorrow, and Wednesday this week. So you never know what they could do. But you can legally buy it for use in the system, not because of a promised future increased price. There’s always a risk.

If you buy any, only buy an amount that you could totally afford to lose. But if you do buy some, stay tuned to the updates and announcements because there’s no guarantees. but I participated in 16 in my own family’s private offices while I was in high school. This will be the 17th one that I’ve participated in. But there’s always a risk.

In general, when a project like ours, Peace Through Trade, has done good work for the long term and there’s proven results and God willing, there’s proven traction, that’s a good sign. as an investor, that’s what I’m looking for. I don’t I’m not looking for any guarantees. But if it looks like you never know, they’ve got some long-term value, they’ve got some long-term things lined up. Well, that could very well do well in the future. Is it gonna blow up? I don’t know, but maybe I should buy some just in case. And that’s sort of

That that’s as best as you could ever hope to do. So we’re not here to hype pitch selling anything. Do your own research. There’s always a risk. I personally, as of this very moment, have taken the most risk and my wife with Peace Through Trade on the planet. We’ve put in millions and millions of our own money. We were very fortunate to have enough capital where we’ve predominantly funded this project to date. we’ve taken in zero dollars of equity capital.

And we’ve only sold some coins thus far to members of the general public, but mostly to friends of ours that are influencers, you would call them, or community leaders. So that hopefully when we already f we are finally launching when

Meghan Escobar (25:12)

When they

Erai Beckmann (25:13)

that day comes, hopefully they’ll take my calls, even though they are my friends and help share it with their community. So that that’s a big focus of mine, Peace Through Trade, because it takes up a lot of time. And our goal is

Basically this. So the name is pretty idealistic. Peace Through Trade. What does that mean? Well, actually, it means that world peace is totally possible. But there’s some bad guys out there, there’s greedy people out there. And for the time being, all of us right now, until we don’t, we have bills to pay. Right? That’s right. So if we ever could achieve possibly Meghan, world peace, we recognized that doing it through trade

Is the best first effort that we can make together. That’s right. And so it’s actually, it’s not our writings. This believe it or not, Peace Through Trade is scientifically proven. Actually, at the World Bank level, there are studies that have gone on for decades. So it’s not something you have to take my word for. It’s actually already scientifically proven that conflict, war happens generally.

As a result, outside of pure evil, there are bad guys and gals out there.

Meghan Escobar (26:23)

As we already established, right, the yin and yang.

Erai Beckmann (26:26)

Yeah. So outside of just bad people, most conflict comes because people are suffering. Right. A great example I give, there was a movie that came out with Tom Hanks a few years ago, and it was about the Somali pirates. Yeah. The Somalian pirates, right? They overtook a cargo ship. They took this American captain capta hostage. And then it was a pretty intense scenario. I’m sure it was terrifying for the captain. But the example I give is I’m not excusing that behavior.

So the Somalian pirates, if we flew there and hung out with them, they’re pretty cool people. They’re really fun, actually. They’re not the Somalian pirates, but Somalians in general. I have lots of friends that are Somalian. My niece at one point was dating a Somalian. They have a amazing food, just for the record, in case you ever see a restaurant in your neck of the woods. it’s amazing. It’s kind of like fried ri you would think of it for our reference, like chicken-fried rice, but it’s with African

spices that are kind of like curry. It’s amazing. It’s really, good. You want to try it. So good people. Do they really want to be pirates? Is that what they woke up as a child and felt, you know what? My ultimate life’s purpose is to become a pirate. Probably not. Now we’re not excusing the behavior for the comments, but the point is they need some pretty basic things there. They actually were desperate for their families and their communities. Absolutely desperate. So desperate

That they were willing to risk their lives just to meet their basic necessities, just to survive, right? Now that’s a good example because you know of it, you can relate on it. Your brain already went through the moving mental imagery, movie of imagining what I was describing. And in 30 seconds, we’ve managed to help you relate to them. Okay.

Meghan Escobar (28:06)

Right.

Erai Beckmann (28:07)

Other human beings just like us. All right. So

Actually, some of these scientific studies published by the World Bank over decades has been proven if we could help them economically, right? So maybe let’s figure out something they do. What without knowing exactly what each community does, maybe they’re harvesting their own beyond organic, really cool spices that are needed to make their own food. Maybe you and I, Meghan in North America, would love to buy those. Right. Paired along with some amazing YouTube videos.

To know how to use them because this food, it’s banging. It’s amazing. It slaps.

Meghan Escobar (28:42)

And

Erai Beckmann (28:43)

It claps. It does all the things. So it is fire. So maybe we want to do that. If we could help them economically and we could start buying more of that stuff, their economic ability and access increases. Well, now they can cover their basic needs. Maybe even more than that. Maybe they can start building schools and get water wells. Well, now they don’t have the same.

desperate need to go out and continue piracy. Right? They don’t have to risk their lives, maybe. So these studies have already shown the more economic impact you can give, but not just temporarily, but for the long term, the more you can increase the quality of life. And then the more the need for conflict decreases. And actually it’s also been shown that if you could get it in there with economic opportunity fast enough, sometimes if conflict is even brewing, you could

Prevent conflict. Right. So not only can we remove it, we can prevent it, or check this out, if we can get more economic access in for the long term, we could even prevent it ongoing for the long term, raising new generations and ultimately changing the way that humanity

Meghan Escobar (29:48)

in the chains that is what I’m talking about and when you put it into that perspective I think it’s so easy for people to see that majority of bad decision comes from a simple I’m desperate I’m suffering like as you said it is so true and it’s written

Right? It it’s literally written. And you there’s a simple saying that you see light at the end of the tunnel. If somebody can see light at the end of the tunnel, chances are they’re not going to continue to make negative decisions. Right?

Erai Beckmann (30:22)

That’s right. And a simple analogy. I think if you know something well enough, you should be able to explain it to children. But my daughters, we have this ritual where each night we go through three things they’re grateful for, and then they’re so excited to turn on these audio stories. We always do gratitude, prayer, and then they fall asleep to these audio stories. One of these audio stories series are just these old school fables, fairy tales. Fables usually

Have this built-in lesson. The lesson in one of these is this fox goes to a well to drink water. Unfortunately, the fox falls into the well. Now, the well’s really deep to get down to the water. Its walls, because of the moisture, are slippery. And there aren’t like these really cool bricks that I think later on in the Middle Ages they installed so that if ever anyone did fall in, they could climb their way up. So the fox is trapped. The fox hears and sees.

Or here’s another animal approaching, sees a goat kind of stick its head over and look in. And the fox says to the goat, The water is so cool and so delicious and so refreshing down here. That’s why I’m here. And you should maybe hop in yourself because it’s just so incredible. In the story, the fox convinces the goat to hop in. Once the goat’s in the water, the fox jumps on the goat’s back and is able to get out. And so to your point, the problem with desperation.

is to get out of these circumstances a person that’s desperate generally can’t be trusted. They generally will do things not in your best interests, but just to help themselves out of a tight jam.

Meghan Escobar (31:52)

And that’s the survival of the fittest, right? Like you we’re taught to put on our oxygen masks first, So it’s like you can’t you can’t judge or blame somebody for wanting to survive.

Erai Beckmann (32:06)

That’s right. Yeah, you can come from a place of compassion. What

Meghan Escobar (32:08)

can we do to try to make it better, right? Like

Erai Beckmann (32:11)

That’s right. Well, yeah, and it’s easier, it’s easier said than done. We’re sitting here in the comfort of our offices in air conditioning in my for us, probably both, on a podcast. So, maybe immediately in the moment, if you’re experiencing the actions of desperate people, it might not feel like immediately you could forgive them and come from a place of compassion, of course, right? But I admonish you, Meghan, for saying that because that’s ultimately the eventual goal, right?

Now we can even take and we have taken as a species caring too far. anything taken to the extremes is extreme, and we want to try and bring it back to a sound middle ground. But here’s how this all ties in. So we have our ideal, eventually, world Peace Through Trade. What I told you, Meghan, before we hit record, was that for us, my family office in general, we’re a family office that’s mostly focused on what’s called sustainable development. So that means.

Our investments, they gotta make money. We want to make money, more money the better. But we also want them to be of positive impact for the environment, nature, and humanity. All right. So similar with Peace Through Trade, my experience in my life, the most notable highest valuation project I’ve ever done was one of the world’s first CBD pharmaceutical companies, which you mentioned. It was valid as a result of its government contracts privately.

When we completed the laws in Brazil and we got our first government contracts on the table, it received a $9 billion plus valuation. And that was sort of just the beginning. All right. So that’s of some significance. Now I worked my butt off to get there and it was an incredible process. But that project, I wasn’t doing it to make a project or a company worth 9 billion or more. That’s not why I was doing it. I was doing it in the moment because actually this hemp derived CBD, so it’s not from marijuana.

Couldn’t get you. I guess if you took enough of it, you can get high. But actually, it was just hemp CBD. So what we would do is we would take very small amounts of it and we would give it to children. All right, where I wouldn’t, but doctors would after they had a prescription. And it was actually helping children that had epilepsy. So children that would have seizures. And unfortunately, a lot of these children were having such bad seizures, they could have died from them. Okay. So for me, when my wife and I were doing that project.

We were just we were feeling desperate ourselves to try and get parents and these kids whose lives depended on it access to this medicine. Yeah. All right. Now, one of our customers at that time that was importing it, she was just ordering it off the internet from us. We were based in La Jolla, San Diego, California. We didn’t know she was ordering it. She was getting it sent to someone in America, and then they were putting it in stuffed animals and sending it to her in Brazil, unbeknownst to us, and that was illegal.

And at one point a SWAT team showed up to this mom’s house and they were threatening to arrest her. I think she had been arrested for international narco trafficking.

Meghan Escobar (35:02)

my god, can you imagine for CBD a non-psychoactive plant? My gosh. my.

Erai Beckmann (35:08)

Now

this was in twenty fourteen and actually my wife and I, we’d been living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and it was kind of a really interesting way in which it all went about. We won’t stand too long on this tangent, but it’s a

Meghan Escobar (35:18)

Yeah, it’s okay.

Erai Beckmann (35:20)

but I actually we were living in Rio and this publicly traded company knew of me from a previous science based health project that I had that had done very well. It was very notable. I’d worked with Harvard and Stanford and Cambridge and I was friends with a lot of the people at that time.

That were famous in the health world and still are to this day. So they knew of me. I flew all the way in from Rio to La Jolla to meet with them because they were telling me all these amazing things about CBD. And interestingly enough, I didn’t actually know of a lot of them. And I was known for a few years as sort of like the bleeding edge young man focused on the c on science and our most recent scientific health discoveries. So I was pretty skeptical. I was, kind of had all my guards up. I’m like, I don’t think anything does all these things.

Meghan Escobar (36:02)

I mean, I’m I absolutely love CBD. I started a company a few years back with a friend of mine. I went south, but man, the benefits and everything that I’ve learned along the way, I still to this day incorporate it into my teachings. it’s incredible stuff. So

Erai Beckmann (36:18)

It’s remarkable. It’s remarkable. So anyway, so the context of this is I flew twenty six hours to get in this office. I get in the door and they said, Hey, you just got here from Brazil, right? I said, Yeah. They said, We just got a call from a woman. We don’t know what it’s about. She only speaks Brazilian Portuguese and she’s calling in 30 minutes. But we think it has something to do with the police. And I had just traveled for twenty six and a half hours to get there and I got goosebumps. And so that was sort of like, Wow, like the universe has me here for a reason.

It turned out my Portuguese at the time was pretty bad. Now I’m fluent from this project. Turns out SWAT team raided her home. Her daughter was dying. And this had actually managed to save her life. She desperately needed this medicine. And the SWAT team had actually just taken everything from her. So not only was she gonna get arrested, but they just seized everything. And so one thing led to another. We ended up helping that mother get that child access. That child is alive still to this day. Good news.

we ended up helping thousands and later on tens of thousands of persons. I helped contribute significantly in a meaningful way to that body of law that then allowed CBD and cannabis to be passed legally for the nation of Brazil. And then I then went on to help four other nations from the beginning to pass completed laws over the next four to five years. So I helped Mexico and Lebanon and Thailand also from beginning to end. I also advised other

Consultants and other federal health authorities. And I share that really kind of heartwarming story as a contextual tangent to now what we’re doing with Peace Through Trade. So because I have those relationships, because I have that network, because I’m already known in some governments for having taken an industry that was unregulated. So it was illegal, like CBD and Cannabis was at that time. But then moving it into a legal, regulated industry.

And when I did that, because I’m on factual record for having done it at such a high level financially, having made it worth so much money to not only my company, but others and the government, I effectively opened up an entire industry.

Meghan Escobar (38:19)

I think it’s absolutely beautiful. And that what shines through to me the most right now is that the success that you’ve been able to have come from these situations really wasn’t even the goal, right? It’s like the lives that you’ve been able to impact and save was the reward, right?

Erai Beckmann (38:37)

It was

inspiring. It was inspiring.

Meghan Escobar (38:38)

Yeah, so I really just want to honor you for a moment here because what shined through for me, Erai, when you were talking about that heartfelt story, of course there was major success that came through from it because of the levels that you’re at but it wasn’t that, right? It was the lives that you were able to impact and save.

Like I don’t know if there’s a better reward.

Erai Beckmann (39:02)

I agree with you. And at the time in the moment, it was pretty intense because we would get phone calls with that project from starting at eight in the morning. We lived on the West Coast. Brazil’s quite a few hours ahead. We were in California. And those calls would go till eleven PM midnight. We would literally be on the phone with parents whose children could very well be on the brink of dying or they were scared for their child’s lives. And this is before we had kids. We’re now parents. But now that I’m a parent, I could only imagine how terrifying that would be.

And so as much as I wanted it to be rewarding and feel good in the moment, it was pretty terrifying from morning, from dusk till dawn for quite some time. We ended up working full-blown sprint on that project, not stopping, despite the fact I said that I’d already learned I needed to be balanced. when children’s lives are on the line, you will find that you have a capacity beyond what you could even imagine right now.

Meghan Escobar (39:50)

For sure.

Erai Beckmann (39:52)

Thank God we got that law passed. I actually wrote it so that people could grow their own plants.

Wow. And with CBD in Brazil, they have very little money. Although the cool thing about that government, I know we think of them as a second or third world country, which I think technically they are, somewhere in between second and third. But they actually have the world’s largest socialized healthcare system. So you know that Canada is socialized free healthcare. As a Canadian, that’s not working out great for us right now. As a tangent, just aside, unfortunately. When I was a kid, it was amazing.

But because Brazil has the world’s largest socialized healthcare system, that means they’re mandated by their constitution to buy medicine for those that can’t afford it as much as the government can afford. So the reason our valuation exploded immediately was because the government contracts we were getting were for guaranteed government purchase orders, which in the world of finance or pharmaceutical or anything really, government backed, verified purchases.

purchase orders are as guaranteed as it gets in a in a world where there’s no such thing as guarantees.

Meghan Escobar (40:53)

So

there isn’t. Just like just like the passion that you had in that project where you were working from morning, noon, and night to get these laws passed to make sure that everything went smooth for that specific individual. Something what I believe is something inside of you note that once this project came through, this was like this is this is going to be able to impact thousands of other families and lives and children. And I highly doubt throughout that process, you were like

Whoa, I wonder how much profit I’m gonna make from this.

Erai Beckmann (41:22)

Quite literally. Like I had to pay bills. I had to pay bills. But it was it was definitely surpris to all of us. It was super surprising. And you’re always met with obstacles. you asked me early on, like what are some of the obstacles? Well, when you’re bringing in something that is less expensive, so it’s entering new into the market, it’s less expensive, it was much less expensive than other drugs that were already legal and supported that

also weren’t as effective. That’s why these kids were dying because they tried everything available and they were still, unfortunately, many of them on the brink of death. And so we were met with obstacles. There were definitely people in certain industries that didn’t want us to bring in something that was less expensive, that was more effective, that was a long term solution and had little to no negative side effects for sure. Yeah.

Meghan Escobar (42:08)

Of course we’ve got to be careful. So, I totally understand what you’re saying.

Erai Beckmann (42:12)

We won’t get into all the details, but what I learned, what I learned is, and this is a cool, genuine, life lived experience learning lesson for those entrepreneurs here that care about these things. What I learned is that if I want to do good for the world, virtually no one wants to help you. cannot assume that anyone wants to help you. And you can’t assume that many people will actually want you to succeed. I and that’s not to say that it’s a generalization, but for the most part, that’s really true.

So what I learned about human nature is that everyone wants what’s in it for them. Everyone wants to profit themselves for themselves and their own family and their own bank accounts. So if I want to do good work in the world, and this relates back to Peace Through Trade and what we’re now doing today with that project, if I want to do good for the world, I have to figure out a way in which they can’t afford not to want to allow it to

Meghan Escobar (43:02)

Pivot the WIIFM. I call it the WIIFM. What’s in it for me? Right. So how do you pivot the WIIFM? So when you market it, it’s like, this is for you, not for me, right?

Erai Beckmann (43:12)

There you go. Yeah, exactly. You have to help people and simp to overly simplify things, people have to make money initially and all along the way. Things have to be profitable. There is a whole world out there of nonprofit, but in my experience, if you can make something that’s for good also profitable initially and along the way, then you’ll have something that’s making even bigger impact, that’s getting even more solutions out there and has a longer term.

future ahead of it. And if it’s working and all those things are working, then the scale of that solution can continue to grow. In that case, we passed the laws for Brazil, about 180-ish million people at that time. By the time I was done in five years helping that industry, I probably had helped about a quarter of a billion people legally get access to that. It was more than that. Mexico’s about 100 million, Thailand itself. So but that was pretty cool. That felt really good to me. So how does that tie in to Peace Through Trade?

And Web3 and AI and where the world’s now going for legal regulated Web3, and how can you then understand what’s coming, possibly for real estate? So this is how it all ties in. Yeah. So because I spent four or five years after Brazil, I’m not famous, but at the high level of government, when a new industry’s come out, when laws have been passed, and when just passing those laws allowed for 10 or tens of billions of dollars of new revenue to flow in a country.

People hear about it. All right. And politicians’ jobs are to figure out how to make more money for their government. The more money they get for their government, the more funding the government has, the greater likelihood they are to still have a job and to keep having a job and to increase their budget. So if you make money for a government as a politician, you’re ensuring a longer career for yourself or the next upcoming vote, right? And election.

So my friends in Brazil that were a part of the National Health Agency or the the government level of science would call up their friends in other countries. And that’s how I got those introductions to other countries. It’s it the way that work goes down, sometimes I’m meeting with the heads of the health authorities or the governments and the ministers, if you will, of those departments, like I was in Brazil. Other times I’m meeting just with consultants that they themselves have those relationships in various countries.

So I did that for five years. And now we’re at, let’s say we’re getting to the 2020s-ish, and I actually did it beyond then. But during 2020s, we had the pandemic. Obviously, that was a very scary experience for many, and it was a very different experience for depending on where you lived in the world, it could have been dramatically different. But in general, in 2020, towards the end of 2021, I was looking, because we all had a lot of time on our hands.

At Web3, and I was looking at blockchain and I was looking at cryptocurrency, and here I was seeing an industry all over again that has a lot of potential. It probably will replace the rails, the global infrastructure for finance, and there’s other elements of data where it could do that too. But it was completely and totally, for the most part, unregulated globally at this time. This about five-ish years ago, six years ago. Yeah. So

I realized this industry has a huge potential, but just like the industry I’d spent my full-time career helping go from unregulated to regulated and CBD, blockchain is gonna have to go through similarly the same thing from unregulated to regulated. So I started calling up my friends, or actually some of my friends would call me and say, Hey, what’s the future of Web3? I was sort of like the young, dude that was known to help with this, but do it in a good way, do it legally.

solid way financially for the long term. So with blockchain, I really at the time in the during the pandemic, I was telling my friends, listen, I got to look into it more. most of it was the Wild West. In fact, by and large, it’s still the Wild West right now. Back then there was a lot of hype, there was a lot of ripping off of the markets. There was a lot of crime and a lot of fraud. Okay, that’s still happening today. So I told my friends of the government, let me look into it, let me figure out the best body of work

Changing laws is not overly complicated. It’s not this crazy, magic box. It’s really just looking for the best examples that already exist and seeing if they already exist, can we take them and use them elsewhere?

Meghan Escobar (47:23)

implementing yeah.

Erai Beckmann (47:24)

Or if they don’t exist, what’s the closest thing we can find so that we can then hopefully get them put in place? Because governments and politicians, they want to work based on something that’s already proven. Of course. They can’t afford

to really experiment that much from scratch.

Meghan Escobar (47:39)

Re recreate, yeah.

Erai Beckmann (47:40)

Exactly, So Singapore is, without I won’t make any assumptions, Meghan, for not only your own awareness, but the listeners’ audience. All right. So let’s just assume people don’t know anything about Singapore, although I’m sure everyone has differing varying degrees of awareness about it. Singapore is thought to be the Switzerland of Southeast Asia. All right. It’s a very small little island. We could drive around it in 30 minutes. So it’s not that big. And because it’s not that big, they can’t have the same

revenue streams of it of export that a lot of Southeast Asia has. So a lot of Southeast Asia has rice and sugarcane and palm oil or maybe minerals, maybe even oil. Singapore is a tiny little island. So the decision they made about 80 to 80 ish to 100 years ago, there’s this really cool dude who is a legend or was a legend. Definitely encourage you to look into him, one of the founding fathers of Singapore. And his goal was that Singapore would become

At that time and for always it had been a shipping port. So people would stop on their way out of Thailand or Asia or Hong Kong before they went off to the rest of the world. at one point it was a British Empire, British colony, and it was controlled by the British Empire. So they already had that kind of port-like major international global logistics or shipping thing going for them. So it wasn’t too far of a stretch to think that, hey, maybe they could become a f a credible financial jurisdiction over time.

That’s not easy. It doesn’t happen overnight. But to put it in perspective for everyone right now, if we wanted to move money, let’s say into China or Hong Kong or Southeast Asia from the West, the most trusted, safest, verified, audited, secure, and insured place for us to want to put our money in all of Southeast Asia is Singapore. So if you’re an American and you’re wanting to go into real estate in Thailand or Hong Kong or somewhere else, you would actually look to establish a company.

Or holdings or work with someone in Singapore to then go from America to Singapore and then they would help you from Singapore elsewhere in Asia. And the exact opposite is true. So if people want to go from Hong Kong or Southeast Asia into America or the West, they too will trust their brothers in arms and sisters in arms in Singapore. And that’s kind of now what it’s become. And to put it in perspective of scale, because when you think of the world leader for global finance, you generally think of

What’s the first place that comes to your mind, Meghan?

Meghan Escobar (49:59)

When I think of world leadership

Erai Beckmann (50:01)

Global

finance outside of outside of New York. who’s the most credible or biggest global fin that usually front of mind, first country that comes to your mind?

Switzerland. So Switzerland usually

Meghan Escobar (50:10)

Yeah, There we

go. Yeah.

Erai Beckmann (50:16)

So Switzerland’s usually what most people think of. Most people know of Singapore, but maybe don’t know that much about it. So let’s put it in perspective. In terms of the total money that comes in and out, so the global volume of Switzerland, it’s in and around two trillion dollars right now. Okay. To put that in perspective, Singapore is north of eight trillion dollars. Wow. So more and growing. So it’s more than four X. Okay. Now we’ve established clearly.

What Singapore is and the context for the listeners. All right. So now, so with Peace Through Trade, I knew laws were coming. I knew we had some time. And I was gonna build, if I was gonna do something with Web3 and AI, I was gonna do it the same way I just did the CBD thing, which was legally, in collaboration, cooperation as much as possible with the governments. I was gonna do it legally so that the governments would work with it.

And also if it’s gonna involve money, so that I would build it the same way I would want my money to be treated, your money to be treated, or my parents’ money, right? So a big thing about blockchain from its inception and still is today is called decentralized, where people really value the fact it can be fully anonymous. For the most part, people just think they’re gonna achieve some tax savings. And that’s why they want that, because they also don’t want people to have,

godlike power and control of their money. They want people to be able to turn off their bank account or rip it out at any point, which is understandable, right? Most people want that. But the problem with something that’s not regulated, decentralized, is that you can also, people can also have their money completely robbed, completely yoinked out of their accounts, and there’s no accountability. Right. Okay. So to the positives, there are just as great negatives, possibly even greater.

And so the problem is right now with that full decentralization, that anonymity side of blockchain, most people, even the biggest fans of it on the planet, would not encourage their parents to put their life savings in it. And if it’s not safe enough for your parents’ life savings, it’s not safe enough for you, especially not governments, especially not high finance. so the inception goal with Peace Through Trade was: hey, the laws don’t exist in America yet. Let’s build it according the whole way to Singapore standards.

And if it’s built according to those standards, then when the laws eventually do come into place in America and the rest of the world, we should not only be able to be qualified, we’ll probably be overqualified. Okay. Yeah. So that was goal number one. Goal number two for us, because this is just what we care about, was we recognized blockchain and AI are the next future technologies for humanity, for the species. We personally wanted that next technology as it gets better and helps us to get better.

To also be better for the planet at the same time.

Meghan Escobar (52:58)

Yeah.

Erai Beckmann (52:58)

If possible. That’s our goal. so

Meghan Escobar (53:01)

When you say if possible and we’re not here to throw any factuals or obviously we’ve established like the guarantees we can’t guarantee anything, right? Except

Erai Beckmann (53:11)

That’s right.

Meghan Escobar (53:12)

death. But with your expertise, with your knowledge, with your experience, do you think it is possible?

Erai Beckmann (53:18)

Absolutely. And people can verify this with Peace Through Trade right now today on peacethroughtrade.com.

Meghan Escobar (53:25)

I mean, I checked out the site. It’s some pretty and I’m excited to dive a little deeper into it. But just from what I’ve seen,

You’re backed by some real

like validated information. It’s not just guesswork, right? Like you’ve put your time, energy, and knowledge and also connections, I believe, right? You talked a lot about that, networking, the people that you know. And I think that’s something important to bring up as well. as an entrepreneur, at whatever level you’re at, beginner, established, scaling

What has made the biggest difference for you when it comes away to, growing your network and making sure you’re creating the right connections to establish the goals and the visions that you do have?

Erai Beckmann (54:06)

Well, so that’s a great question.

I will totally get to networking and how best to establish that from my experience, what I do and what I would do. and at the same time, I’d love just to keep on that sustainability tangent because that’ll lead into.

Actually, the answering of your question also, Meghan. Okay. If that’s cool. Yeah.

so that was just our goal, right? Now this is this is somewhat unpopular with people that are really into Bitcoin doing it in a way that’s good for the planet. Because Bitcoin right now is the biggest dominant global project out there. And it’s pretty well known that the reason its price per coin is what it is, because it requires a lot of really not inexpensive computers.

And those not inexpensive, very powerful computers require a lot of energy. So it costs a lot of money to support Bitcoin. And that is the fundamental argument of those that believe in Bitcoin why its price is what it is. Now, as more users come into Bitcoin and as the network scales and grows, it gets more complicated and requires more machines, more computers, and more energy. All right. Bitcoin’s

energy economics are that as users come in, it gets more complicated, requires more energy to maintain it and keep it secure. And it’s actually solving like these math issues. That’s what is referred to as mining. You’re solving and supporting a block to be made and completed on the blockchain. And with each block in supporting that for security, they’re answering a more and more and more complicated mathematical problem. Now, in all fairness to Bitcoin, Peace Through Trade was very much modeled

Off of Bitcoin. They’re the OG. They started this years ago, more than a decade ago, and they had no idea, of course, how to think through and assess beforehand every future problem. All right. So at the time, this was their line of logic and their reasoning. Now, some people, like with religion and politics, can get pretty dogmatic, right? in the world of Web3 and crypto, there are people that are super dogmatic with Bitcoin.

And don’t even want to hear about anything else. That happens just like in every other subject matter. But for Peace Through Trade, we wanted it to be legal. That was pillar number one. Number two, if possible, better for the planet. Because even though we love Bitcoin, if Bitcoin keeps growing, it doesn’t absolutely necessarily exactly require more energy infrastructure. But to put it in perspective, right now, there’s approximately 8 million users, miners, and right now Bitcoin uses completely.

full on about 16 to 17 nuclear power plants. Wow. Entirely. Not just like using a part of like the whole thing, right? So it not only is that now nuclear is pretty clean, in all fairness, short of a meltdown. So I’m not saying nuclear is bad for the planet. The waste is pretty gnarly. there can be disasters, but by and large, it’s actually thought to be a very clean energy source because once it’s working, and if it works without a problem, it does well.

But the point is that’s not as sustainable for the planet as like obviously solar panels, long term. I’m not saying making them sustainable initially, but long term, once they’re made, we turn it on 25, 30 years, zero pollution. But not only that, even if people don’t care about the planet, I can’t walk into a Central American, in general, a South American or an African nation. Okay. I can’t walk in there and say, listen, let’s build this amazing solution for Bitcoin.

that’ll do great work for the planet, mostly because they don’t have the ability or the infrastructure to power it. Okay. So this isn’t even a fundamental, it’s all well and fair for the current president’s family of the United States to build this enormous, monumental, biggest thing ever for Bitcoin in Texas because they can actually power afford to power with the infrastructure. But most of the world’s governments don’t even have.

the ability, even if they had the funding to actually build the infrastructure needed to power it. So when you’re thinking at the level of governments, you got to think about what the government’s needs are. And we’ll kind of skip through some of these things a little bit more quickly. But they have to have a solution and infrastructure for their people, right? So depending on how many people they have, that’s sort of the size of what they require. Some countries have millions, some have tens.

Brazil’s the largest, being almost 200 million people, right? So you have to think about the size of that nation. Now, with Peace Through Trade, the summary is so that we don’t go into this in too much depth and detail, the summary is we’re very grateful to report. We cracked that code. We figured out how to make something that not only would be legal, but that would work at a global scale, that governments and their central banks could work with millions of people.

Tens of millions of people or hundreds of millions of people and safely storing the records, the transactions, and the financing just as much as Bitcoin, possibly even more secure than Bitcoin. But we did it with the exact opposite energy economics. So we could achieve the same level of security, but use a thousand times less energy initially. And then because Peace Through Trade has the exact opposite.

Energy economics of Bitcoin. As we grow in scale and have millions of users and possibly even governments and government level infrastructure projects come in, or possibly even central bank level infrastructure projects come into Peace Through Trade, it will actually become more energy efficient over time. And the proof and evidence is actually right in the white paper and the documentation. You can see the blockchain functioning, and that’s live. You just click on block explorer. Now

Outside of what we’ve written ourselves, all right, we also have one of the world’s largest, definitely in this part of the world that we’re based in, completely powered by renewable energy, in our case it’s solar panels, global Web3 blockchain and AI project that we know of. So Peace Through Trade right now is entirely run on solar, which with Bitcoin, the same equivalent system would be impossible. Totally would be impossible. You couldn’t even do it.

Meghan Escobar (1:00:08)

And it’s and is that just because of the scale that it’s at right now? Like it would be it would be nearly impossible to like reverse engineer everything to run off of a solar panel because of the because of where it’s at.

Erai Beckmann (1:00:20)

That’s exactly right. So what we have for we don’t yet have six million people using our own internal

Meghan Escobar (1:00:24)

But

because you’re establishing that foundation right from the beginning of it. As it grows, it’s really gonna be fueled by an eco friendly system.

Erai Beckmann (1:00:32)

Well, yeah, and I can’t guarantee how it’s fueled ongoing, but what we’re doing initially, our intention the whole time was to build and innovate for this purpose. And honest to God, before AI really took some major leaps and bounds, we didn’t think we were gonna get there, just to be fair. Yeah. we actually had to build our own native Peace Through Trade AI. and when we built that with technology and other advancements, we were able to unlock.

That same level of global usage and security with energy efficiency. And the energy efficiency is so great, we’re able to run it on solar. Now you don’t have to, like the truth is you’ll be able to mine Peace Through Trade from the laptop that you’re talking to me on Zoom today. If you’re, if you’re plugged into your grid, I can’t control how you’re powering it. but we the current just to put it in perspective, the current system we have right now could run the central bank system.

For a small nation, let’s say, three to five million people, and we’re running it entirely on solar. Okay. Now that was our goal. And we believe it is just as secure or more so than the current world’s leaders. It moves just as fast. The transactions move just as fast. We actually move way faster than Bitcoin. We’re more comparable to XRP if you’re talking about speed of transaction. Yeah. But what this means for governments is

Whether they care about the environment or not, because we can power it from solar and because it can be so much more, like right now, we’re a thousand times more energy efficient than Bitcoin. In the future, as we scale to a million plus users, we’ll probably be thousands of times more energy efficient in comparison. And when we get to millions and millions of users, the same, let’s say, current level of Bitcoin users and mining happening.

will be like 10,000 times more energy efficient. But whether you care about the planet or not, whether you care about making things better for the environment, because you and I clearly know, Meghan, people in industries that don’t care about harming the environment, that make the most money, right? But whether you care about that or not, so whether you care about that as a listener right now or not, I don’t care if you care and I don’t need you to care. Okay. If you do care, awesome, because then you should love us. But even if you don’t care, what’s

Meghan Escobar (1:02:43)

Yeah.

Erai Beckmann (1:02:45)

But

what it what it actually means to the government because of what we’ve built, and this is why we have our first already officialized government partnership, what that means is that actually to do a government level infrastructure project with Peace Through Trade is one of the least expensive blockchain and AI systems available to them as a government initially and ongoing forever. Okay. So that’s called getting your foot in the door.

That’s called opening up the opportunities. If countries can save money now and ongoing, and it’s good for the environment, it’s not gonna be massively polluting. Well, now we’re checking more than one box for more than one department within a government. Finance, they might not care about the environment, but they love the cost savings now and ongoing. Ministry of Environment cares about the environment, loves the fact we’re sustainable.

And now what’s really rad is something like this hasn’t even existed yet. So it’s all well and good. And I’m sure there are great projects for the environment being done on Bitcoin where people are trying to get more adoption and more usage for the and I’m sure there’s projects out there, I don’t know of them, but I’m sure there’s groups like planting, new trees and reforesting somehow involved with Bitcoin. But the cool thing is that now the underlying technology that we can build these solutions for humanity and for the environment reflects the very values.

of the same solutions that we’re hoping to bring about. So that’s what Peace Through Trade is. That’s why we built it. Now we have our first government official partnership. Thank you for letting me talk so much about this because it’s a lot to unpack.

Meghan Escobar (1:04:14)

It is, but I think it’s necessary.

Erai Beckmann (1:04:16)

The coolest thing ever, Meghan, is that we’ve been in conversations with governments for about a year and a half now. We still are with about four or five other world’s governments and a few central banks. Panama, the government of Panama, after one year of doing diligence and verifying everything that I’ve told you today, has officially, as of April this year, officially entered into a formal official government partnership with Peace Through Trade. All right.

So there’s some proof and evidence. Now that doesn’t guarantee you, but in general, a government doesn’t have to put their name in and brand

Meghan Escobar (1:04:51)

likely wouldn’t if they didn’t see opportunity, right? I mean, I think they’re probably, versus a private investor, right? The government’s going to cross all T’s and dot all I’s before they, put their name on something. So I think that creates a lot of validation to everything that’s going on in your world.

Erai Beckmann (1:05:09)

It’s a very safe assumption. And like you just are assuming, other governments assume the same thing, other, end users, consumers, people like you and I will assume the same thing because they have a serious reputation and a lot riding on making an official decision. Now, because Peace Through Trade’s been in stealth mode, you guys at Investor Fuel are really actually, in my opinion, a part of a very small group to even learn about this because we haven’t even promoted with the press release.

That official government partnership. We’re in predominantly stealth mode as a project until we announce our official ICO date. So when the coin is going to be trading publicly on exchanges. And once we’ve officially announced that date, then we’ll share everything, like completely let everything loose into the markets, and we’ll promote for about 90 days, three months, leading up to that ICO date. But what’s really cool is you can see on Instagram, the government of Panama has already promoted that official partnership.

The Ministry of Environment’s already promoted. Actually, side little note, Peace Through Trade, we only started experimenting on January on Instagram to see if the world would care about blockchain and AI being good for the planet and humanity. And this year we just passed more than 150 million views. we don’t have that many followers. I think we’re only over 41,000 followers. but if you check out how many views we get in a reel, we are probably, we’re definitely one of the most viewed.

good for the planet projects in the world this year on social media. we might be the most viral and viewed actually sustainability project on the planet this year, which is also just kind of a little brief aside.

Meghan Escobar (1:06:41)

Incredible accomplishment and something that you most certainly should be celebrating. So

Erai Beckmann (1:06:46)

And that’s before going public, right? So that’s pretty cool. So I really quickly, because I know we’ve been going on for a while, and this is the one thing I wanted to share. This is what’s coming with global finance. This is what’s coming in the world of Web3. This is what governments are doing. So we’re not showing you we’re not sharing with you guys a hypothetical idea of what we think might be what I’m sharing with you is factually private information before it goes public of what’s absolutely already happening officially at the highest levels of government infrastructure. Why should you care about Panama?

In Latin America, they’re thought to be the Switzerland of Latin America. Yeah. Okay. because of the canal. And the whole world of global finance is going to move from the SWIFT system to Web3. But when they do it, they’re going to do it in a safe, verified way they can trust. Peace Through Trade. The government of Panama verified we built it according to the Singaporean standards. They’ve verified we had our own license. They’ve verified.

Third party auditing in these things, that it’s safe and secure. And they actually asked our help to do a government backed exchange project for sustainability with them that they would be officially the partner of and actually back it completely, which is a pretty big deal. That that partnership and what they’re promoting actually asked for our help with two other things, which include academics and lawmaking.

But if you take a look at it, I won’t share any more with you guys, but if you look at it, is pretty cool. It’s pretty validating. It adds a lot of credibility because most people don’t know about our project, but we’re not in a rush. We’ve been doing it for five plus years. We’re predominantly self funded, anyways. And we don’t believe in hype. We believe in factual, real results that when you do learn about them to the market could be kind of cool. Yeah. Could be pretty exciting.

Meghan Escobar (1:08:29)

I think so. I mean, I’m ready to dive in here. So amazing, stuff. I could probably sit here and talk to you for hours already to all of this and then some, but unfortunately we don’t have hours. I just really appreciate you coming on here and sharing all of this knowledge and future vision for what’s to come and where this could potentially go.

And I see nothing but greatness. So hopefully our audience does too. And I just I fully support this project and I’m really gonna be looking forward to following it through. Then, we will be sure to drop those links right directly to Peace Through Trade and any other links that you might want to provide, your a access to your social media accounts will be sure to provide that. But

For those that are listening in and before we wrap up, like what would be the best way for an someone in the audience to connect with you? Would that be through a an Instagram or a Facebook or an email?

Erai Beckmann (1:09:27)

Well, so the best way to connect with a project is go to peacethroughtrade.com. You can sign up. You can put your name in, your email in. to connect with me, we generally don’t do that often directly. But what we do is we have a once-a-month live private update. Our community globally, we refer to ourselves as Peacemakers. So if you go to peacethroughtrade.com, you sign up, throw in your information, you’ll get your email. And then the email will let you know when we’re having our next live private community update.

Also, once you’ve signed up, you can actually get access to the previous recordings, which is pretty cool. I go into a former major U.S. Army general who’s actually officially our partner and the head of Peace Through Trade in America. I share other advisors we have. I share other governments. most recently, we actually just should secured the head of our official institutional global financing round for Peace Through Trade, which is pretty cool.

very valid individual and group that’s proven and so there’s no guarantees but I promise you what’s gonna be really cool about real estate is your ability to have the contract the escrow everything on chain the smart contracts are coming and your ability to instantly have funds sent verify they’re received and instantly released that could open up a whole world of opportunity now why another thing I just want to share in closing

And I blocked off the hour and a half for the podcast. So just so you guys know, I do not yet have any major prospective future strategic joint venture partners in real estate that are planning on building real estate apps on Peace Through Trade. I don’t have that yet. But if you guys check it out, download the beta app for PAXIS, the streaming app, download the wallet, attend the updates.

You can check it out. You’ll figure out how to connect with me in person. You got to reach out to customer service, whatever. But if you have an idea, now would be the time to get ready forming that idea and possibly even building an app on Peace Through Trade or using the existing full stack ecosystem for what your needs are. But once again, there’s never any guarantees. But the way a project like this works is as more people learn about it, as they get into it, as they start participating with it, some of the earliest stage apps that are built.

And connected to a blockchain could very well be at the front of that momentum. And I’m not saying that Peace Through Trade is, obviously I’ve said this many times, we’re just doing good work for the long term. But what I will share with you guys in closing is that as this industry moves from unregulated to regulated, the projects that have the licensing and have gone out of their way to make sure they’re in adherence to those laws stand the best chance of moving forward as

New global leader. It’s even totally possible we could see some of these existingly established dominant giants get completely wiped off the board. I don’t know exactly who it’s going to be. You don’t either. So there are no guarantees with any project that’s launching right now. But when the CLARITY Act passes, I guarantee you the only projects that will step forward as new global leaders, thrive, get the financing, get the funding, and will absolutely succeed the most will be the ones.

like Peace Through Trade that have done it according to the laws legally the right way for the long term.

Meghan Escobar (1:12:39)

Wow, amazing stuff. Get your pens and papers out, guys, and you can go back and slow it down or speed it up. But we’ve got a lot, a lot of gems that were dropped here today.

Well, I appreciate you so much coming on, being patient with me and just with everything. I think it’s just been an amazing conversation and super excited for our audience to be able to have this knowledge and the future is really, what I’m most excited about. So with that

we will wrap everything up and I wanna again just thank you for taking your time to be here with us today. And for those of you that are tuning in, if you got any value from this, please be sure to hit like and subscribe and continue to join the show as we have incredible guests coming on daily. but we had a special guest today who dropped some stuff outside of the box. So

We’re happy to have you and we’ll hope to be having you back on again at some point in the future, in the very near future. but outside of that, join us on the next episode.